*Official* Second ODI in Brisbane

[vic_orthdox]

Also think that the top edge first ball threw him, should have persevered with taking the pace off it. My memory is that the second one was a short length ball at full pace, might be wrong though.

 

[vic_orthdox]

A Yorker at the stumps still opens up 360 degree scoring opportunities. The margin for error is too low. You have to get it right bang on for a Yorker on the stumps to be good.

Yeah, was more in reference to the people who said he wasn't trying to bowl them.

 

[Adders]

Jesus Christ.....did that really just happen??

 

[NasserFan207]

Wow, devastating loss.

 

[benchmark00]

Only allowing four men out also is a massive deal, so hard to defend, especially on big grounds.

 

[Spikey]

Yeah, was more in reference to the people who said he wasn't trying to bowl them.

pretty sure when you attempt to bowl a yorker it comes out perfectly

 

[Spikey]

 

[SteveNZ]

A Yorker at the stumps still opens up 360 degree scoring opportunities. The margin for error is too low. You have to get it right bang on for a Yorker on the stumps to be good.

They're international players - they should a) get it reasonably bang on b) get it close enough that it's a long HV or a low full toss, which are a damn sight harder to hit for six than a length ball, which is also able to be hit 360 deg, and the front 180 deg a lot more easily. The guy had struck Stokes twice over 105m, what's a long boundary to him? It probably worked earlier in his innings when he wasn't given freebies by Stokes to get his hitting eye in

 

[Spikey]

bowling at the stumps is a bigger issue than yorkers

 

[SteveNZ]

Yeah, was more in reference to the people who said he wasn't trying to bowl them.

I felt he wasn't, then softened to say if he was, it's incredibly poor execution. I still believe some weren't. I know Bresnan wasn't, and why he was bowling is beyond me anyway. I can't recall a more reactive, passive captain as Cook.

 

[andyc]

From CA's twitter

 

[benchmark00]

They're international players - they should a) get it reasonably bang on b) get it close enough that it's a long HV or a low full toss, which are a damn sight harder to hit for six than a length ball, which is also able to be hit 360 deg, and the front 180 deg a lot more easily. The guy had struck Stokes twice over 105m, what's a long boundary to him? It probably worked earlier in his innings when he wasn't given freebies by Stokes to get his hitting eye in

I don't see anywhere here advocating a full pace length ball as the way to go at the death so I have no idea what you're going on about.

 

[grecian]

Clearly if Bop had bowled more, than we would have won.

Bopara>Stokes.

Why are people saying this is devastating, it's an ODI, the Test series was devastating, this is just mildly annoying.

 

[NUFAN]

Faulkner's use of the crease also makes it difficult to bowl yorkers. He has both feet within the crease and depending on how big his stride is, can make the difference between yorker and full toss. I'm not saying its a factor every ball, but surely it makes a difference on some of the deliveries.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Why are people saying this is devastating, it's an ODI, the Test series was devastating, this is just mildly annoying.

Going through this tour losing every single game would undoubtedly add to the misery, even though a victory might not necessarily make them feel any better. Lose-lose situation

 

[SteveNZ]

I don't see anywhere here advocating a full pace length ball as the way to go at the death so I have no idea what you're going on about.

No you don't. I can't address Bres directly as I'm not aware he has an account, but I am referring to the way he bowled - long boundary or not. I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm simply stating I've seen no circumstantial evidence that a yorker is not far and away the best option in run-saving situations and at the death, yet it does not seem to come as a top priority. Can't land it? Train for it.

 

[NasserFan207]

Its funny but as an Irishman I never rated Rankin all that much, yeah he was good enough for us but I couldn't imagine him playing for England. Obviously fella improved but not enough to win England selection for me. Would love to see Morgs get another go in the test side, no matter what you think of his technique he's better than the young county clowns.

Also I'd say this game is devastating because you kinda deserved to win. England deserved nothing from the test series, here they played well only to fall to pieces at the death. At least, this loss has bothered me more.

 

[Scaly piscine]

They're international players - they should a) get it reasonably bang on b) get it close enough that it's a long HV or a low full toss, which are a damn sight harder to hit for six than a length ball, which is also able to be hit 360 deg, and the front 180 deg a lot more easily. The guy had struck Stokes twice over 105m, what's a long boundary to him? It probably worked earlier in his innings when he wasn't given freebies by Stokes to get his hitting eye in

Once Faulkner gets set and keeps facing Stokes then Stokes' margin for error diminishes. It would be the same for any bowler with some pace - inconsistent bowler + small margin for error equals what happened today. The factors worked in Stokes' favour in his first 3 overs, but Cook should have had some semblance of cricketing intelligence not to bowl someone 6 overs in a row at the end of the innings against a guy who has been batting that entire time. Bloody stupid to give him that sort of workload anyway in these games. I guess Cook hasn't batted long enough recently to understand the dynamics of getting in against pace.

 

[hendrix]

From CA's twitter

Can't believe they actually did this. Amazing.

 

[Johnners]

Yessss, such a good game. Definitely the most entertaining I've seen live. Last 2 overs were nuts.

Wasn't a dull moment when Faulkner was involved, first getting belted whilst bowling, then that innings.

Was also bemused at the way Haddin n Maxwell threw their wickets away when the run rate was under control.