Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Pitches in NZ are complete roads these days. I reckon on balance it's just about the easiest country to bat in overall these days, possibly Bangladesh aside.
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***Official*** India in New Zealand 2013/14
- Thread starter BeeGee
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YorksLanka
International Debutant
Really?They dont show many NZ matches here in the UK and i was going on what i had seen a few years ago when they were on tv more here..
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah common mistake really, no biggie.
You can get some swing sometimes with the new ball if you pitch it up and the pitches obviously aren't completely homogeneous from venue to venue, but the wickets offer very little seam movement, don't break at all and pretty much come on at the ideal consistent pace and carry for batting most of the time.
Apparently Hesson has requested that the pitches offer a bit to the quicks so they may alter that a little deliberately, but if they play how they have recently then we'll be seeing some great batting conditions.
You can get some swing sometimes with the new ball if you pitch it up and the pitches obviously aren't completely homogeneous from venue to venue, but the wickets offer very little seam movement, don't break at all and pretty much come on at the ideal consistent pace and carry for batting most of the time.
Apparently Hesson has requested that the pitches offer a bit to the quicks so they may alter that a little deliberately, but if they play how they have recently then we'll be seeing some great batting conditions.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
The most recent basin reserve pitch was perfect though. About a 250-300 par wicket. A healthy bit of seam movement early, but nothing excessive. Good pace in it so there was value for shots, and the bounce was nice and consistent. If they get it like that again, we'll see some great cricket.
Also, although Eden Park is a road most of the time, there's usually a bit of swing around and it often at least has good carry.
Also, although Eden Park is a road most of the time, there's usually a bit of swing around and it often at least has good carry.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah tbf the Basin Reserve is just awesome in general.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Does anyone know why Hamilton is getting two ODI's? Seems like very curious scheduling. On a semi-related note, how come there are no internationals ever played in Tauranga? Would seem like a decent sort of location for LO cricket - good ground, nice weather, decent-sized urban area, a relatively strong local cricket community. Same goes for Whangarei - they had bigger crowds at the NZA v England games than for some of the one dayers.
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Flem274*
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Here is the squad I predict for the first test.
Fulton
Rutherford
Williamson
Taylor
McCullum
Anderson
Watling
Sodhi
Southee
Wagner
Boult
Milne or Bennett (most likely Milne)
Ryder
The selectors will get a pace boner and will want to sit on the Ryder-is-better-than-Baz-but-should-Baz-open? conundrum for at least another test. If India score a billion at Auckland (and it's Auckland so if it doesn't swing...) then you can lock in the fast bowler for a test debut at Wellington.
Fulton
Rutherford
Williamson
Taylor
McCullum
Anderson
Watling
Sodhi
Southee
Wagner
Boult
Milne or Bennett (most likely Milne)
Ryder
The selectors will get a pace boner and will want to sit on the Ryder-is-better-than-Baz-but-should-Baz-open? conundrum for at least another test. If India score a billion at Auckland (and it's Auckland so if it doesn't swing...) then you can lock in the fast bowler for a test debut at Wellington.
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Heavily doubt that Milne is going to be anywhere near the test squad. Given the type of pitches that are likely to be on offer at Hamilton and Napier, combined with the small square boundaries I find it very difficult to believe that he's going to bowl himself into contention during the ODI's.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
There's only four grounds with adequate lights and all games must be day-nighters (to get that $50-60m they want), David White said at the time.
I can see some merit in their profiling/stereotyping there, not giving Auckland or Wellington two ODIs and a Test. When you think of Auckland and Wellington atm you think of Bryan Waddle sitting at a table with Chris Rattue and Joseph Romanos, rubbishing Bradburn's "Big Bash mobile app", and rubbishing the prospect of two LO games of the same format in their home city.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Tauranga only finished their pavilion about a month ago, has been portacabins for about 5 years. So expect an ODI in the next year or two.
As for the specific venues for the ODIs v India. They all have floodlights, and therefore good broadcasting times into India, Hamilton twice is still a bit odd though.
They don't step foot in the South Island the entire tour.
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Flem274*
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Milne to be conveniently rotated out of the eleven at Napier and Hamilton. I don't think he needs to bowl all that well to get picked - he just needs to hit 150 enough and scone someone/take 2 wickets to make the selectors forget Matt Henry, Hamish Bennett and Ben Wheeler exist. Failing that, Bennett will get the gig.
And if he does reproduce the inswing at pace he showed on the A tour he's instantly in the eleven for Eden Park. Bowlers who get the big heart, bowls all day label like Wagner usually cop the brunt of the harsh droppings. NZC have been hunting for the next Bond for a long time, plucking Andy McKay and Hamish Bennett out of relative obscurity along the way. Southee and Boult have temporarily kept the FBC at bay but the speed of Milne and Bennett will be awfully tempting for them if India rack up 500/5 at Eden Park and Wagner and Sodhi go the distance.
Edit: Hell, a coming of age destruction of India in the ODIs with the A tour inswing that turned him from cheap speed porn to serious prospect and I can promise you the printer at Phlegm Proganda Peddlers will be desperately short of paper and ink.
And if he does reproduce the inswing at pace he showed on the A tour he's instantly in the eleven for Eden Park. Bowlers who get the big heart, bowls all day label like Wagner usually cop the brunt of the harsh droppings. NZC have been hunting for the next Bond for a long time, plucking Andy McKay and Hamish Bennett out of relative obscurity along the way. Southee and Boult have temporarily kept the FBC at bay but the speed of Milne and Bennett will be awfully tempting for them if India rack up 500/5 at Eden Park and Wagner and Sodhi go the distance.
Edit: Hell, a coming of age destruction of India in the ODIs with the A tour inswing that turned him from cheap speed porn to serious prospect and I can promise you the printer at Phlegm Proganda Peddlers will be desperately short of paper and ink.
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Has anyone seen Bennett on the speed-gun so far this season? Worth remembering that he wasn't truly fast even before his back injury (fastest I remember him bowling was about 145). Though I'm not sure whether the speed guns they use for the HRV Cup are the same as those for the internationals. All our regular internationals seem to be about 5kmh down on their usual speeds - though I suppose that could just be them bowling within themselves
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Never gonna happen.
Flem274*
123/5
Good to know you have enormous faith in my printery.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah well, I'm sure resources were already stretched with the return of Hay to FC cricket this season anyway, so it's probably for the best.Good to know you have enormous faith in my printery.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
"Boom! Flush on the face..."
Adam Milne vs. Unmukt Chand - YouTube
Yeah, you might get one of those Phlegm, but I think that's as quenched as your insane bloodlust is going to get.
Adam Milne, 3/43 vs. India A - YouTube
Adam Milne vs. Unmukt Chand - YouTube
Yeah, you might get one of those Phlegm, but I think that's as quenched as your insane bloodlust is going to get.
Adam Milne, 3/43 vs. India A - YouTube
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Ah OK, that makes sense. I guess with Auckland and Wellington both getting test matches they don't want to oversaturate those markets. Still, they could've always wheeled round those temporary lights that they've been using for the HRV Cup to one of the rural venues.
XIs for Wellington (aka the 'Dan will travel to see these blokes play even if they're not in the squad and make the teams unbalanced' XIs)
1. Fulton
2. Raval
3. Williamson
4. Taylor
5. Ryder
6. McCullum
7. Watling
8. Anderson
9. Southee
10. Boult
11. Henry
vs
1. Dhawan
2. Pujara (
)
3. Rahane
4. Kohli (despite having to potentially deal with Jono while he's batting)
5. Rohit
6. Saha
7. Jadeja
8. Bhuvi
9. Zaheer
10. Yadav
11. Ojha
1. Fulton
2. Raval
3. Williamson
4. Taylor
5. Ryder
6. McCullum
7. Watling
8. Anderson
9. Southee
10. Boult
11. Henry
vs
1. Dhawan
2. Pujara (
)3. Rahane
4. Kohli (despite having to potentially deal with Jono while he's batting)
5. Rohit
6. Saha
7. Jadeja
8. Bhuvi
9. Zaheer
10. Yadav
11. Ojha