***Official*** India in New Zealand 2013/14

[sledger]

I'd love to see the Blackcaps genuinely competitive in test cricket - and that will only happen if they play some proper series.

No point playing India then.

 

[Daemon]

No point playing India then.

take your **** elsewhere ****

 

[London Kiwi]

No point playing India then.

2 tests better than nowt

 

[sledger]

take your **** elsewhere ****

Go and eat some more of your relatives ****.

 

[BeeGee]

Yes, the standard fall back argument of internet people - stop playing the point, start playing the man.

I've been on these forums longer than you have, but yes, lets pretend like you're an old world pro.

Funny stuff.

And I'm offended by the use of the term "internet people". Racist.

 

[sledger]

Funny stuff.

And I'm offended by the use of the term "internet people". Racist.

Yeah, he should have at least referred to us as "Web people". A seasoned user of social web technologies would have never made this mistake. Looks like we have reason to doubt his online experiences as well as his cricketing ones.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah, he should have at least referred to us as "Web people". A seasoned user of social web technologies would have never made this mistake. Looks like we have reason to doubt his online experiences as well as his cricketing ones.

It's understandable, you forget that he doesn't spend much time online as he's too busy playing professional cricket.

 

[Blocky]

You would think that someone who has played at the levels you have would know the difference between conventional and reverse swing and what that difference entails. Also absolutely anyone can swing the ball both ways if they can present the seam properly (which Wagner was unable to do upon entering the side). Their action might limit the movement they are able toextract but the ball will still move through the air

Correct, however in order to correctly position the ball and generate the amount of backspin on the seam in order to keep it aligned to the way you want to swing it, your bowling action generally has more to say about it than finger and wrist position.

You'll find very few people with a conventional side on delivery stride who generate consistent in-swing and can control it. Conversely the same with open-chested bowlers and outswing - solely because of the plane of the ball and how easy it is to keep your wrist in the right position.

Even Wasim Akram changes his delivery stride and arm action through the crease to generate swing in either direction, Simon Doull is one of the few I can remember who could do it consistently for New Zealand and his secret was a double jointed wrist.

Funny stuff.

And I'm offended by the use of the term "internet people". Racist.

Nice way to quote out of context of course, I was answering his point that I was somehow a newbie.

 

[Howsie]

Blocky your've got to be Jelepeno?

If so how about that Trent Boult. So much for that 125k no hoper that won't last five minutes on the international scene and wasn't fit to hold Neil Wagner's jock strap. Good times, good times.

 

[Binkley]

I just thought I would pop in to make clear that Blocky and Binkley are completely different people.

I am posting this from my girlfriend's phone. Unbelievably my phone, my internet connection and my telly have all died in completely unrelated incidents. I will be following today's match by something called "the radio". Exciting days.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Correct, however in order to correctly position the ball and generate the amount of backspin on the seam in order to keep it aligned to the way you want to swing it, your bowling action generally has more to say about it than finger and wrist position.

You'll find very few people with a conventional side on delivery stride who generate consistent in-swing and can control it. Conversely the same with open-chested bowlers and outswing - solely because of the plane of the ball and how easy it is to keep your wrist in the right position.

Even Wasim Akram changes his delivery stride and arm action through the crease to generate swing in either direction, Simon Doull is one of the few I can remember who could do it consistently for New Zealand and his secret was a double jointed wrist.



Nice way to quote out of context of course, I was answering his point that I was somehow a newbie.

Sorry I couldn't reply when you posted because I was out having a life.

So if it is so difficult to do so, why can Wagner do it at will, while a bowler with infinitely better control and a smoother action such as Boult cannot?

 

[hendrix]

The correct answer is that Wagner can't do it at will. Those 5 wickets in six balls, there was reverse swing into the left handers and the odd one that went straight on. Couldn't see anything else.

Even if he could, he's still crap if he can't land the ball in the right areas.

This is a guy averaging worse than Ishant Sharma, people.

 

[Blocky]

Sorry I couldn't reply when you posted because I was out having a life.

So if it is so difficult to do so, why can Wagner do it at will, while a bowler with infinitely better control and a smoother action such as Boult cannot?

Plane of arm. Wagner has a much more mixed bowling action than Boult and can comfortably bring his bowling arm through on either side of his right foot. If you believe that swing happens solely because of your grip and wrist position, you're one of the people out there who is probably baffled why some people get absolutely late swing despite bowling under 130kmh and others get early swing bowling 150kmh. Grip and Seam Presentation is of course highly important, but arm plane is equally so.

Why can't Milne generate consistent swing? I'll tell you right now it's not his grip nor wrist position thats the problem.

 

[Blocky]

The correct answer is that Wagner can't do it at will. Those 5 wickets in six balls, there was reverse swing into the left handers and the odd one that went straight on. Couldn't see anything else.

Even if he could, he's still crap if he can't land the ball in the right areas.

This is a guy averaging worse than Ishant Sharma, people.

Right, and Jacque Kallis was averaging less than 25 with the bat and over 40 with the ball at similar points in their careers. Tim Southee only got his average under 40 about a season or two ago, judging a guy from twelve tests strewn across four seasons is pretty stupid. And as previously pointed out, 80% of his wickets have come against top order batsmen. He gets the hard wickets and tends to do it every series, hence why his leading dismissals are Trott, Pietersen, Bell and Chanderpaul.

 

[Blocky]

Blocky your've got to be Jelepeno?

If so how about that Trent Boult. So much for that 125k no hoper that won't last five minutes on the international scene and wasn't fit to hold Neil Wagner's jock strap. Good times, good times.

No clue what you're talking about.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

I just thought I would pop in to make clear that Blocky and Binkley are completely different people.

I am posting this from my girlfriend's phone. Unbelievably my phone, my internet connection and my telly have all died in completely unrelated incidents. I will be following today's match by something called "the radio". Exciting days.

Haha this, kept reading blocky as Blinkey or Brockley, and for that I sincerely apologise

 

[ohnoitsyou]

double post

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Plane of arm. Wagner has a much more mixed bowling action than Boult and can comfortably bring his bowling arm through on either side of his right foot. If you believe that swing happens solely because of your grip and wrist position, you're one of the people out there who is probably baffled why some people get absolutely late swing despite bowling under 130kmh and others get early swing bowling 150kmh. Grip and Seam Presentation is of course highly important, but arm plane is equally so.

Why can't Milne generate consistent swing? I'll tell you right now it's not his grip nor wrist position thats the problem.

Maybe I am one of those people but at least I know the difference between new ball and reverse swing :face:



Milne's arm plane is uniform pretty much every ball. Therefore using this thing called logic, him not being able to swing the ball consistently must be due to one or both of grip or seam presentation but one thing is for sure and that's that he swings the ball more consistently than Wagner. Also remember we are not talking about a stock ball, but a variation that goes the other way. It will never move as much as the conventional inswinger (to the right hander) as I have maintained from the outset, but it doesn't have to in order to be threatening.


You don't play cricket in Wellington by any chance do you?

 

[BeeGee]

Haha this, kept reading blocky as Blinkey or Brockley, and for that I sincerely apologise

Yeah, it's confusing. Maybe Blocky can change his name to Jelepeno. That would help Howsie also.

And can you please give a weather update in the WI thread? Thanks.

 

[hendrix]

Actually, Adam Milne swings the ball both ways. This has also been documented in video by Kippax.