ohnoitsyou
International Regular
Ronchi is really not very good at this finisher thing
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***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14
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wellAlbidarned
International Coach
If you start seriously considering that then it means Ronchi really isn't worth his place
God I love the Tui thing. God it's great. That was so gun
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
He hit that one pretty ok i guess
James
Cricket Web Owner
Agree with wellAlbidarned's thoughts surrounding Guptill's innings.
Guptill cost us a 300+ score here and just put too much pressure on Ryder and Williamson. With our depth in batting with this lineup and the quality of the surface, there's no excuse to be scoring at the rate he was.
Thankfully, some late order hitting got us to what is probably a just below par score given the conditions. I reckon we'll still win however given the lack of quality in the WIndies batting lineup.
Guptill cost us a 300+ score here and just put too much pressure on Ryder and Williamson. With our depth in batting with this lineup and the quality of the surface, there's no excuse to be scoring at the rate he was.
Thankfully, some late order hitting got us to what is probably a just below par score given the conditions. I reckon we'll still win however given the lack of quality in the WIndies batting lineup.
BeeGee
International Captain
Well, maybe, but my comment was more about NcCullum's awesomeness than Ronchi's poor batting form.
NcCullum is a genuine all-rounder in ODIs, imo. Not just a handy lower order hitter.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Good score.
Ryder will more than likely shelve those wafts that resulted in the edges when he heads into long format cricket, so I'm not too worried about that. A bigger issue for me is that he's unable to pull along the ground, but yeah he usually shelves that shot as well.
Guptill's lack of scoring options to good length bowling again exposed. The Windies should've realised that and just kept bowling good length or just short of a good length outside off stump to him the whole innings and he'll be completely negated.
Ryder will more than likely shelve those wafts that resulted in the edges when he heads into long format cricket, so I'm not too worried about that. A bigger issue for me is that he's unable to pull along the ground, but yeah he usually shelves that shot as well.
Guptill's lack of scoring options to good length bowling again exposed. The Windies should've realised that and just kept bowling good length or just short of a good length outside off stump to him the whole innings and he'll be completely negated.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Ridiculous sentiment, the 300+ figure was only ever in question after the platform he and Ryder set.
If you're going to change this to a situation where someone else opened instead of Guptill and scored quickly you're missing the fact that Holder bowled well, deserved wickets and no one besides Guppy passed 50.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
It's very simplistic to take Guptill's final score and say that's a fair indication of a decent innings. Guptill didn't just score slowly at the start of the innings, he had THREE RUNS OFF THIRTY BALLS. That's seriously damaging for the mindset of the batsman at the other end and no doubt assisted in the demise of Williamson and Ryder.
BeeGee
International Captain
Yeah, I agree. At the start of the game I was thinking par would be around 275. All the batsmen struggled to time the ball at some point during their innings. Not the easiest pitch to bat on, but not the worst either, imo.
Bowl and field well and there's no reason we can't defend it.
Let's hope Mitch takes bag of wickets.
James
Cricket Web Owner
Took the words out of my mouth with this in response to Athlai. Was exactly what I was going to say.
There's no doubt Holder bowled well, but you need the ability to be able to tick over the singles and rotate the strike. Guptill failed to do that and the direct result was the wickets of Ryder and Williamson who felt the pressure to up the scoring rate because of how Guptill was batting.
Athlai
Not Terrible
If after this game McHesson comes out and says that their plan was to get NZ to 200/1-2 wickets by the 35th over and to launch from there and Guptill was told to play the anchor. Will you still feel the same way?
Ryder's innings for mine was exactly how he always play the game, he naturally doesn't feel comfortable unless hitting boundaries. The Williamson argument is probably more apt but I'd argue that Guptill was well established and playing a decent knock after his Kane's first few overs at the crease.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
Good flight from mills
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah I think MArtin had sped up by the time Kane got out.
In other news Windies are making a game of this.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
I love how simmons permanently has that "bitch, please" expression on his face