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*Official* English Football Season 2013-14
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Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Happened Feb 08.
Pretty certain it's Jan 2012. They've not conceded more than once with those 2 playing 90 since Nov 2012.
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Tom Halsey
International Coach
Pretty much backs up what he said.
Had a look at the fixtures left for each team and concluded that the title could well be tighter than I originally thought. I still think City are favourites but by no means certainties.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
After 19 games you had to look up who needed to play who?
yeah yeah home away I know
Furball
Evil Scotsman
How it'll finish:
1. Man City - tipped them at the start of the season and despite their best efforts to chuck away as many stupid points as possible they're 1 point off the pace, with the best squad in the division. Only issue is that they've played all the top sides bar Chelsea at home, but now they appear to be getting used to Pellegrini's methods they won't struggle as badly away from home as they have in the early part of the season. Being able to smash teams at home at will is always handy.
2. Arsenal - will run City close. Still got question marks over them in the big games, but have been machine like against the dross in the league, opening day blip aside. With the way the rest of the division are chucking points away, Arsenal don't actually have to win the "big" games to win the title. Reckon they'll just fall short but they've got the best midfield in the division and the best defence. A lack of a really top drawer striker, and the lack of any good strikers other than Giroud might cost them.
3. Chelsea - the Mourinho factor will play a massive part. Worryingly ominous that they're only 2 points off the pace despite playing crap and having no strikers.
4. Man Utd - have dropped a lot of stupid points but they're coming into better form. Have far too much to do to actually win the title - you sense that defeat at Stamford Bridge will kill off whatever faint hopes they have left - but should still make top 4.
5. Liverpool - thin squad that's short of genuine quality bar Suarez. Will push a lot harder for a top 4 spot than I initially thought but they'll fall short.
6. Everton - questionable squad depth.
7. Spurs - no
1. Man City - tipped them at the start of the season and despite their best efforts to chuck away as many stupid points as possible they're 1 point off the pace, with the best squad in the division. Only issue is that they've played all the top sides bar Chelsea at home, but now they appear to be getting used to Pellegrini's methods they won't struggle as badly away from home as they have in the early part of the season. Being able to smash teams at home at will is always handy.
2. Arsenal - will run City close. Still got question marks over them in the big games, but have been machine like against the dross in the league, opening day blip aside. With the way the rest of the division are chucking points away, Arsenal don't actually have to win the "big" games to win the title. Reckon they'll just fall short but they've got the best midfield in the division and the best defence. A lack of a really top drawer striker, and the lack of any good strikers other than Giroud might cost them.
3. Chelsea - the Mourinho factor will play a massive part. Worryingly ominous that they're only 2 points off the pace despite playing crap and having no strikers.
4. Man Utd - have dropped a lot of stupid points but they're coming into better form. Have far too much to do to actually win the title - you sense that defeat at Stamford Bridge will kill off whatever faint hopes they have left - but should still make top 4.
5. Liverpool - thin squad that's short of genuine quality bar Suarez. Will push a lot harder for a top 4 spot than I initially thought but they'll fall short.
6. Everton - questionable squad depth.
7. Spurs - no
Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
How does it? We've nigh on always finished stronger than we started...
cpr
International Coach
Yeah, and he said you've either had a good first half to a season, or a good second half, but not both.
Considering the table you put up shows you've
A) Not finished top 2 (I'd say thats a fair sign of having a good season all round, not just half) since 2004
B) Drag yourself back from 6th in 2005
C) Blow a lead in 2007
D) Again come back from outside the CL places in 2008
It kinda does support what Uppercut says. Quite well in fact.
Uppercut, do your own research next time!
Considering the table you put up shows you've
A) Not finished top 2 (I'd say thats a fair sign of having a good season all round, not just half) since 2004
B) Drag yourself back from 6th in 2005
C) Blow a lead in 2007
D) Again come back from outside the CL places in 2008
It kinda does support what Uppercut says. Quite well in fact.
Uppercut, do your own research next time!
Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
His point doesn't really make sense in reply to mine though.
For the past 5 years we've finished brilliantly and in all bar two of our seasons we've finished higher than we were at the end of the year. For the past 10 years we've almost always finished stronger than we've started, so no, I disagree.
Basically what I'm saying is that for as long as I can remember we've started much worse than we finish and hopefully that's the case again.
I guess Uppercut's not wrong in the same way he'd be right if he said we'd managed to qualify for the Champions League or the EUFA Cup every season but not both, as one of them just hasn't happened really.
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cpr
International Coach
Graph shows both really. Lies, damn lies etc.
Seems an odd phenomena though, how some teams 'kick into gear' after Christmas and the like - it's not like these are teams that are being restructured each year, so should start just as well. If anything the build up of games, going further in competitions than other teams etc should mean the opposite is true - though maybe its good squad depth/management compared to their opponents that make them cope better,,,, Meh, CBA thinking about it now!
Seems an odd phenomena though, how some teams 'kick into gear' after Christmas and the like - it's not like these are teams that are being restructured each year, so should start just as well. If anything the build up of games, going further in competitions than other teams etc should mean the opposite is true - though maybe its good squad depth/management compared to their opponents that make them cope better,,,, Meh, CBA thinking about it now!
Tom Halsey
International Coach
I actually agree with the overall point that we can't just assume they will finish badly because they started well but it's not 3/17 is it? Because they haven't started well in all 17 seasons, and anyway statistics plucked from 1996 are hardly relevant. Additionally, 2010/11 is hardly my definition of finishing brilliantly given you were within 4 or 5 points of the lead at the most for much of the season and then finished 4th, 12 points back.
The whole teams finishing stronger or weaker than they started is mostly myth anyway. Sure in individual seasons you can pick out which teams are going to finish stronger than they've started or whatever because of depth of squad, injured players returning, January transfer business and so on. But over a period of time like 15 seasons or so that is being discussed here there is very little in the way of solid reason to explain why a side will always finish stronger or weaker than they start the season so you get a load of pseudo-reasons to explain what is statistical variance.
The best exception to this is psychology, particularly United in the Ferguson era, which is why he always banged on about it at every opportunity from January onwards. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in other words. Arsenal have none of that going for them though as they don't have the reputation of finishing stronger in the first place.
Tom Halsey
International Coach
What are you doing Ole? 
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Didn't he blow out Villa?
I mean, I'm sure on the face of it one might think working for someone called "Vincent" was better than for a chap called "Randy", but ****ing Google them, eh, Ole?
Lerner seems the kind of American who's all about sitting behind big oak desks & maintaining traditions with a world-weary dignity, whereas Tan's just properly batschisse mental. "The Bluebirds? Nah, **** ya. You're playing in red. With a dragon on your badge. Why? Because I can."
"Kill him"
I mean, I'm sure on the face of it one might think working for someone called "Vincent" was better than for a chap called "Randy", but ****ing Google them, eh, Ole?
Lerner seems the kind of American who's all about sitting behind big oak desks & maintaining traditions with a world-weary dignity, whereas Tan's just properly batschisse mental. "The Bluebirds? Nah, **** ya. You're playing in red. With a dragon on your badge. Why? Because I can."
"Kill him"
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
I suppose there's only so many times the journalists can mention a guy's name before they will start to speculate about how he's not getting a gig.
Presumably Tan is the only one mad enough to pick him, too.
Presumably Tan is the only one mad enough to pick him, too.
Uppercut
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I think Villa might've been worse. The thing about Cardiff is that if it goes well he'll get the credit and if it goes wrong Tan will get the criticism. And if he gets sacked, he'll be rich.
Villa was the worst type of job: one where expectations were out of whack with the quality of the squad. Lambert's done a great job there and it's not being appreciated because not many had realised how grim a position they were in to begin with.