The Next Big Stars

[Flem274*]

Siddle WAG

Drop him for Starc

 

[hendrix]

Find me all of his test match slog sweep dismissals and post them in the tour thread.

They are a myth.

Off the top of my head:
2nd Test: India v New Zealand at Bangalore, Aug 31-Sep 3, 2012 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

2nd Test: India v New Zealand at Bangalore, Aug 31-Sep 3, 2012 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Flem274*]

wow, 2 in 52 tests and one after tonning up. We don't even know whether the sweeps were conventional or slogged either. String him up.

btw mod pls move to tour thread imo

 

[hendrix]

wow, 2 in 52 tests and one after tonning up. We don't even know whether the sweeps were conventional or slogged either. String him up.

btw mod pls move to tour thread imo

I'm not saying he should be strung up, just making the point that he didn't actually shelve it at all. And he was playing the slog sweep pre-tonning up in the India test.

So no, he didn't shelve it.

 

[91Jmay]

One year, against mostly **** bats mate. Southee is a good bowler with potential to be very good but he doesn't dominate.

 

[Flem274*]

Hard to deny Cook, KP, Prior, Sangakkara, Jayawardene and Chanderpaul are truly awful I agree.

 

[hendrix]

One year, against mostly **** bats mate. Southee is a good bowler with potential to be very good but he doesn't dominate.

2 years, in the subcontinent, England, Australia and on roads in New Zealand.

Given that his figures in those 2 years are pretty much identical to those of Dale Steyn, you must be telling me that only Vernon Philander has dominated in the last 2 years...

 

[91Jmay]

Yep, he has been excellent in the spell you posted, I didn't realise he played in India. Didn't play in Aus so not sure what your talking about there. But i'm not calling somebody dominant after a relatively short sample (10 tests out of 14) when the rest of his career has been just decent.

I'm also crying with Ross Taylor being one of the top 5 bats in the world. Did Clarke, Amla, A.B, Shiv, Sanga, Pujara, Cook and Bell die?

 

[hendrix]

Yep, he has been excellent in the spell you posted, I didn't realise he played in India. Didn't play in Aus so not sure what your talking about there. But i'm not calling somebody dominant after a relatively short sample (10 tests out of 14) when the rest of his career has been just decent.

I'm also crying with Ross Taylor being one of the top 5 bats in the world. Did Clarke, Amla, A.B, Shiv, Sanga, Pujara, Cook and Bell die?

Well, he said "In 5 years time" in 2008, didn't he? Not "from the beginning of his career he'll dominate". I think it's fair to say that Anderson has been dominant at points in his career but you couldn't say that across his whole career either.

Taylor's number 6 at the moment, just ahead of Pujara. Cook and Bell aren't even in the top 10.

 

[91Jmay]

That's the funniest thing I've read on this site. Ross Taylor ahead of Pujara? Ahead of Cook, Bell? Mate the bloke averages barely 40 against everyone not named Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka or the Windies. Talk about pop gun attacks. Averages 60 + in New Zealand which according to you is roads. He's done ok in England, really well in Sri Lanka and mediocre everywhere else. There is at least 8 better batsmen probably 10. He is a decent player. That's it.

Southee has done really well over the last couple of years. Jury still out whether he is a top tier bowler for me though.

 

[hendrix]

That's the funniest thing I've read on this site. Ross Taylor ahead of Pujara? Ahead of Cook, Bell? Mate the bloke averages barely 40 against everyone not named Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka or the Windies. Talk about pop gun attacks. Averages 60 + in New Zealand which according to you is roads. He's done ok in England, really well in Sri Lanka and mediocre everywhere else. There is at least 8 better batsmen probably 10. He is a decent player. That's it.

Southee has done really well over the last couple of years. Jury still out whether he is a top tier bowler for me though.

i'm talking about ICC rankings mate. Personally I don't think AB Devilliers is the best batsman in the world and I personally think that Kallis is the best batsman still playing but the point about the rankings is that they're about who's currently performing, not who's had the best career.

Here they are if you want them:

1 909 A.B. de Villiers SA
2 898 H.M. Amla SA
3 868 M.J. Clarke AUS
4 866 K.C. Sangakkara SL
5 854 S. Chanderpaul WI
6 835 R.L. Taylor NZ
7 801 C.A. Pujara IND
8 783 Misbah-ul-Haq PAK
9 771 G.C. Smith SA
10 769 Younus Khan

 

[91Jmay]

Why would I give a **** about those rankings? I thought we were debating our rankings? The dominant Tim Southee is 17th in there Test bowler rankings.

 

[hendrix]

Why would I give a **** about those rankings? I thought we were debating our rankings? The dominant Tim Southee is 17th in there Test bowler rankings.

Because it's a prediction that was made 5 years ago and unless you're being utterly pedantic in your criteria it has more or less come true?

 

[91Jmay]

I see nothing in the original post about it being based on the ICC rankings? Am I missing something. Pedantic? No I wouldn't consider Taylor one of the best 10 batsmen in the world. Sitting down and thinking about it I'd rather have these blokes:

Amla
Clarke
De Villers
Cook
Bell
KP
Warner
Jayawardene
Sangakarra
Pujara
Kallis
Chanderpaul


The Southee one has come true though, I have to yield on that. Didn't realise his level of consistency in the sub-continent.

 

[hendrix]

In all honesty he wouldn't be in my top 5 but definitely top 10, and I personally think he's a better batsman than plenty in that list (e.g. Jayawardene, Warner, current Kallis, current Cook, Bell, Devilliers etc).

Needs centuries against Steyn and Philander and Harris and Siddle to be top 5.

 

[91Jmay]

He's essentially a slightly less talented Bell before Bell's tons vs the Aussies to me.

 

[hendrix]

He's essentially a slightly less talented Bell before Bell's tons vs the Aussies to me.

Strongly disagree and think you'll be proven way off on that one. Taylor has never been labelled a downhill skiier. I can't think of a single century of his that's been scored after someone else in the team had tonned up.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

I can't think of a single century of his that's been scored after someone else in the team had tonned up.

1st Test: New Zealand v West Indies at Dunedin, Dec 3-7, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Flem274*]

God I want to gouge my eyes out. Please just stop, both of you.

 

[benchmark00]

Ah New Zeland fans, never fail to amuse me. Make a few runs against a few ****ty attacks or take a few wickets against a **** heap and you're a shoe in for the world XI.