Chuckers

[Agent Nationaux]

Ok, I'm bailing from this chucking thread but I've made my point. I believe chucking is a blight on cricket on par with match fixing and there are many who've gotten away with it.

LOL

How can you equate chucking with match fixing? At least the chuckers are trying!!!

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Ok, I'm bailing from this chucking thread but I've made my point. I believe chucking is a blight on cricket on par with match fixing and there are many who've gotten away with it.

yes, because everyone else in this thread thinks that chucking should be a legitimate part of cricket

 

[hendrix]

I'll mention it again that I do think it's rather heartening that the testers were able to prove that both Shillingford and Samuels chuck. The idea that bowlers are able to adjust their actions to be better in the lab may be an exaggeration or may in fact be completely false.

Although the system is not perfect - it's disappointing that Shillingford not only cut off Tendulkar's final innings but also prevented NZ from taking a well earned test victory - it does appear to be capable of identifying and banning some chuckers.

 

[Beamer]

Wow, that has come as a bit of a shock. I knew Shilly chucked his doosra, but his offies looked absolutely fine in the last 2 tests and the umpires didn't even question the legality of his offies in India. But if that is what the tests have shown, then fair enough. I'm all for clean actions in cricket and if Shilly has an illegal action he shouldn't be playing.

My beef with this is that the ICC appear to pick on the easy prey (this is something Nasser Hussain has pointed out many times on commentary). They know that the WICB doesn't have the power or inclination to make much of a fuss so it is easy to report and then declare test results for someone like Shilly. However, I can tell you right now that there are others with actions very similar to Shilly's, if not worse, that don't get reported and I can't understand why (Ajmal, Harbhajan, Kane Williamson just to name 3). I'm not just throwing my toys out of the pram because Shilly got banned. It is blatant and has been pointed out by many others before.

Sort it out ICC, the rules need to be applied fairly and unequivocally, not just when it is easy to do so.

 

[Flem274*]

If KW was a full time bowler he would get reported imo. He sneaks through because he's a part timer from NZ, so no one cares (yet). When he pulls a Clarke on India later this summer though there will be delicious tears and lots of reporting.

Ajmal has been tested and passed hasn't he?

But yeah Shilly looks better than some others, though whether it's optical illusion or not only tests will say.

 

[Blain]

If ICC was serious, they would ban long sleeved shirts for spin bowlers. So obvious they are trying to hide that devious 19 degree bend.

I hate chucking. It's a clear advantage (which is illegal), so much so that many others revert to it to keep up. Needs to be stamped out, but won't be.

 

[Beamer]

If KW was a full time bowler he would get reported imo. He sneaks through because he's a part timer from NZ, so no one cares (yet). When he pulls a Clarke on India later this summer though there will be delicious tears and lots of reporting.

Ajmal has been tested and passed hasn't he?.

Agreed in regards to Kane. Still doesn't make it right though, he bowls a fair amount of overs to rest the quicks and he's probably the most flagrant chucker of the lot. They need to apply the rules fairly and consistently. It just seems to me that the behaviour and financial clout of the relevant cricket board and their status as a bowler is taken into account when it shouldn't be. It's awful.

Ajmal was tested and passed a while back iirc but nobody can convince me his doosra is any better than Shilly's. We all know this is the case, it must be very obvious from square leg. So why hasn't he been called for testing again? Because they realise the PCB would make an almighty fuss, appeals left, right and centre and Ajmal has now become a fairly big name in World cricket. So, to repeat my point, things other than the action are clearly taken into account and it's not fair.

 

[Beamer]

Another example, by these standards, I'm pretty sure Narine's doosra must come pretty close to the limit and he will play in the 3rd test. But he is now a big name in World Cricket due to his T20 and ODI exploits so there is no way they'll report his action.

 

[hendrix]

Ajmal was tested and passed a while back iirc but nobody can convince me his doosra is any better than Shilly's. We all know this is the case, it must be very obvious from square leg. So why hasn't he been called for testing again? .

Ajmal's doosra was well within the limits. So no, it's not obvious that he's chucking. If they caught Shillingford yet Ajmal's was legal, then the only thing I can conclude from that is that Ajmal's is legal and Shillingford's isn't...

Another example, by these standards, I'm pretty sure Narine's doosra must come pretty close to the limit and he will play in the 3rd test. But he is now a big name in World Cricket due to his T20 and ODI exploits so there is no way they'll report his action.

Wasn't aware Narine had a doosra. I thought he just used the carom ball.

 

[mullarkey]

After some remedial work he got his doosra down to 10 degrees, now 5 degrees below the limit, I assume his other deliveries were about the same - he was probably no closer to that particular limit than many other ordinary bowlers.

I would recommend this video to Mullarkey and anyone else with ill-informed Murali views btw

thanks for that but it doesn't alter my opinion. I think you will understand that I don't accuse Murali of cheating. The first time this issue (throwing) came to me was as a young enthusiast when a Yorkshire bowler called Geoff Cope was constantly dogged by this slur against him. It was like a soap opera but he almost took a hat-trick on his test debut and would have done but for the greatest of cricket captain's- Mike Brearley.

 

[Maximas]

So he can bowl like this with a brace keeping his arm dead straight.

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Murali's arm is permanently bent at 36 degrees, has been like that since birth

 

[harsh.ag]

Why do so many people here have such a high opinion of their eyes?

 

[Zinzan]

All this scientific testing yet Kyle Mills' chucking seems to have gone unnoticed for 10 years?

Am I the only person who thinks he chucks?

 

[TNT]

Murali's arm is permanently bent at 36 degrees, has been like that since birth

Look at the photo and then look at the brace in the video and tell me that the brace could go on his arm the way he is bowling in the photo.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Look at the photo and then look at the brace in the video and tell me that the brace could go on his arm the way he is bowling in the photo.

yes it does

 

[jonbrooks]

yes it does

I'd have to disagree with you there.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

All this scientific testing yet Kyle Mills' chucking seems to have gone unnoticed for 10 years?

Am I the only person who thinks he chucks?

every official who reports him mysteriously vanishes and shows up dead in a turkish butcher

 

[ohnoitsyou]

the brace is bent quite significantly.

 

[marc71178]

Shillingford got 4 wickets in the 1st test and helped save his team. Should that result be changed to a win for NZ?

To be honest, the real reason that match was drawn was the 3rd umpire no knowing the rules. If he'd done his job, Shillingford wouldn't have even had a 2nd innings to bowl in.

 

[marc71178]

What is the point of banning some unknown English kid? There are many high profile cricketers who have chucked and continue to chuck. Cricketing bodies don't impose bans on them in fear of the furor it will create. The high profile cricketers remain immune.

No, they do not. They're actually watched live in the flesh by people who are fully aware of the regulations regarding chucking (rather than by someone watching on TV who still subscribes to the theory that they know better then technology).

I'll play along though, who are these high profile chuckers then?