Chuckers

[Maximas]

Its not actually impossible to see that video and come to a different conclusion you do. As any number of comments below the video show.

Which baffles me tbh, what is it that you doubt after viewing it?

 

[the big bambino]

I can understand why Hair and Emerson no balled him after closely watching him in match conditions. What was really interesting was the change of action in his doosra. I wonder if any team went close to detecting it.

 

[91Jmay]

'English Murali' Maurice Holmes eager for another county chance | This is Kent

Maurice Holmes has essentially been blackballed from English cricket because of it.

 

[jonbrooks]

Yeah, test all of them. Not the the selected few you think that have dodgy actions. I am pretty sure that a significant proportion of so called clean actions will be going pass the tolerance limit.

I think we have enough tech now to test all of them.

 

[jonbrooks]

Why not?

There was nothing illegal about his action

People are getting too caught up in dodgy actions when the real spotlight should be falling on whether someone is chucking or not. For the vast majority of deliveries a bowler may be bowling perfectly legally. However the effort ball is the one that should be under scrutiny. I've mentioned Dale Steyn who it looks to me like is chucking the odd ball. Muralitharan also looked like he threw the odd ball. I know for certain there are bowlers who have readily admitted to throwing the ball, Dion Nash being one of them.

http://www.angelfire.com/sports/nash/review/page3.html

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Haha yeah, ever since steyn debuted I've been a little curious about his action. I think it's just that he has a very pronounced wrist flick but you never know.

 

[Athlai]

Another one bites the dust.

 

[jonbrooks]

I presume by you speak of shillingford? Kinda sad he is deemed to be chucking when many worse have got away.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Windie Weathers will explode over this.

 

[uvelocity]

marlin in strife too

 

[TNT]

I would recommend this video to Mullarkey and anyone else with ill-informed Murali views btw

So he can bowl like this with a brace keeping his arm dead straight.

 

[harsh.ag]

Samuels can't deliver fast ones anymore - Shame this isn't an announcement for his stays at the crease.

 

[harsh.ag]

I presume by you speak of shillingford? Kinda sad he is deemed to be chucking when many worse have got away.

Yeah, many worse have got away... Disgrace... You should publish your results on all these bowlers right away, I will sponsor you... You know those results you obtained with your team of experts showing how these cheats go over the allowed limits of bend... Oh you don't have any? Such a shame..

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Shillingford got 4 wickets in the 1st test and helped save his team. Should that result be changed to a win for NZ?

 

[jonbrooks]

Yeah, many worse have got away... Disgrace... You should publish your results on all these bowlers right away, I will sponsor you... You know those results you obtained with your team of experts showing how these cheats go over the allowed limits of bend... Oh you don't have any? Such a shame..

See this is where you are severely mistaken. Testing someone in a lab is pointless. It just shows they are capable of bowling legitimately. The real chuckers are the ones who do it deliberately in games. No amount of lab testing will root out these cheats.

 

[91Jmay]

See this is where you are severely mistaken. Testing someone in a lab is pointless. It just shows they are capable of bowling legitimately. The real chuckers are the ones who do it deliberately in games. No amount of lab testing will root out these cheats.

Did you read the article I posted? The reason the young English kid was banned was because they accused him of not bowling the same in indoor test as he does in games (despite them using old footage and him telling them he'd changed his action since then, ****ing jobsworth ECB ****s). If they can see the action is different on the video to on the test then they get banned anyway.

 

[jonbrooks]

Did you read the article I posted? The reason the young English kid was banned was because they accused him of not bowling the same in indoor test as he does in games (despite them using old footage and him telling them he'd changed his action since then, ****ing jobsworth ECB ****s). If they can see the action is different on the video to on the test then they get banned anyway.

What is the point of banning some unknown English kid? There are many high profile cricketers who have chucked and continue to chuck. Cricketing bodies don't impose bans on them in fear of the furor it will create. The high profile cricketers remain immune.

 

[hendrix]

See this is where you are severely mistaken. Testing someone in a lab is pointless. It just shows they are capable of bowling legitimately. The real chuckers are the ones who do it deliberately in games. No amount of lab testing will root out these cheats.

Yeah I thought this but the lab testing and subsequent banning of Shillingford seems to illustrate otherwise. I believe they analyse video footage of your action in matches and then require you to produce the same action and deliveries.

That Shillingford couldn't even get his regulation offspinner below the 15 degrees says something towards the robustness of the testing, IMO. Still, a bit ridiculous that he heavily influenced a couple of test matches while he was chucking.

 

[91Jmay]

What is the point of banning some unknown English kid? There are many high profile cricketers who have chucked and continue to chuck. Cricketing bodies don't impose bans on them in fear of the furor it will create. The high profile cricketers remain immune.

Well the point was that they felt he was chucking (absolutely ridiculous, and typical of English cricket to be scared of a talent who is a bit different).

 

[jonbrooks]

Ok, I'm bailing from this chucking thread but I've made my point. I believe chucking is a blight on cricket on par with match fixing and there are many who've gotten away with it.