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***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14
- Thread starter Prince EWS
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BeeGee
International Captain
Anderson is occupying Vettori's genuine all-rounder position in the team. Ryder isn't an all-rounder. They can't be competing for the same spot, they're different players.
The only place it makes any sense for Ryder to bat in this team is 5, so he's competing with McCullum.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I often find myself agreeing with you, but this is a weird post. There's more than one possible selection balance; you don't have to pick a genuine allrounder.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I find it hard to disagree with this but I'd absolutely take McCullum ahead of Rutherford (or Raval/Latham/Flynn/Guptill if you want to swing that way). There's no way McCullum shouldn't be in the side, even if Ryder and Anderson are both in it.
I also think that, as much as McCullum isn't that keen on opening anymore, he'd change his mind quick smart if he was told he wasn't going to make the team otherwise. Obviously this is never going to happen unless you have a change of coach though.
lockton2skipper
U19 Debutant
The problem for both sides is the bowling nz has two test standard bowlers and the windies one !
BeeGee
International Captain
The only time I'd advocate picking a team without an all-rounder is if there isn't a test quality one available or the specialist players are so outstanding that you don't need one. IMO, neither of those cases exist. Without an all-rounder the team balance would be off.
WindieWeathers
International Regular
Oh lord what on earth can i say now? I was too frustrated to post anything yesterday!!..but now the dust has settled the positives are Kirk Edwards is really looking the part...got out cheaply but it's really encouraging seeing him adapt to these conditions now...i see him being a fixture in the top order moving forward.
Also Samuels has battled well..i'm glad he's still there because on his day he could perform heroics like Darren Bravo did in the last test!!..we NEED Marlon to be in form because when he is our batting is much more solid...
Now to the negative...Chanders? i won't judge him too harshly but he's let us down in these last two innings!!..had he stuck around with Darren Bravo in the last test we'd have been in a much more comfortable position...and yesterday all he needed to do was shut up shop till stumps but threw it away...i hope he shows up in the second digg....Powell? talent wise he's got more in his arsenal than Darren Bravo imo...but he needs to start producing more now...conditions were tough but i want to see the lad progress rather than expecting him to get 30 and get out.
All is not lost but we'll NEED Deo and Marlon to take things at least to 270!!..they do that then you'd have to be confident that NZ 's could fall below 100!!....at Sabina last year they lead by 50 after the first innings but with Roach and Narine around we turned the game on it's head!!..i don't think this attack can do that so the best we're looking at here is a draw again.
It's ironic though that i'm talking about our crap attack on the day the Jamaican selectors have picked Jerome Taylor to play warm up matches ahead of our domestic 50 over and four day competitions coming in the next few months!!..it would be brilliant if Jerome came back!!..i can only imagine what this series would be like if we had Roach, Taylor and Rampaul in our attack!!..LOL i think we all know the story might be a little different to the one being written right now
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Also Samuels has battled well..i'm glad he's still there because on his day he could perform heroics like Darren Bravo did in the last test!!..we NEED Marlon to be in form because when he is our batting is much more solid...
Now to the negative...Chanders? i won't judge him too harshly but he's let us down in these last two innings!!..had he stuck around with Darren Bravo in the last test we'd have been in a much more comfortable position...and yesterday all he needed to do was shut up shop till stumps but threw it away...i hope he shows up in the second digg....Powell? talent wise he's got more in his arsenal than Darren Bravo imo...but he needs to start producing more now...conditions were tough but i want to see the lad progress rather than expecting him to get 30 and get out.
All is not lost but we'll NEED Deo and Marlon to take things at least to 270!!..they do that then you'd have to be confident that NZ 's could fall below 100!!....at Sabina last year they lead by 50 after the first innings but with Roach and Narine around we turned the game on it's head!!..i don't think this attack can do that so the best we're looking at here is a draw again.
It's ironic though that i'm talking about our crap attack on the day the Jamaican selectors have picked Jerome Taylor to play warm up matches ahead of our domestic 50 over and four day competitions coming in the next few months!!..it would be brilliant if Jerome came back!!..i can only imagine what this series would be like if we had Roach, Taylor and Rampaul in our attack!!..LOL i think we all know the story might be a little different to the one being written right now
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BeeGee
International Captain
If a coach ever did that to McCullum he'd just rally his mates and get the coach sacked. Then get his preferred coach installed, or better still, get himself appointed player coach/captain/selector/god/etc.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
I'm a big fan of having Anderson in the team, but without him Ryder and Williamson could share the all rounder bowling duties & provide balance (especially if 3rd seamer and specialist spinner kept things tight/chipped out a couple)
I'm disappointed with our bowling effort in both tests so far. Southee is hardly swinging the ball and Wagner has lost it completely. A lot of praise is being heaped on Sodhi but he has a long way to go. Way too many 4 balls. Sodhi should be concentrating more on accuracy rather than spinning the ball.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
lol, southee has been swinging it plenty.
I wouldn't say Sodhi's exactly been heaped with praise, but he's doing alright for a club-level leg-spinner thrown in the deep end.
Binkley
U19 Captain
It was raining when I got up at 6am (urgh), but that stopped pretty quickly and the weather has been clearing ever since. There are currently clouds on the hills, but I can also see big patches of sunlight over parts of the city that are not too far from the Basin.
Flem274*
123/5
I think this is what would happen, but I don't think the gap between Rutherford/Raval and McCullum is as wide as you think. I think McCullum's ability is at the Taylor/Ryder/Williamson level, but his output as a specialist batsman is closer to a Lou Vincent or even a Hamish Rutherford and I hope his hundred the other day was him turning the corner but right now he is still in limbo a bit. If Rutherford plays 30 odd tests without becoming a better batsman than he is now I wouldn't be surprised to see a really similar record to McCullum's since McCullum gave away the gloves.
Just looked it up now to see what Baz did do as an opener and he had 15 games for an average of 35 with the one huge double ton which was the knock of his career (and another time I thought he turned a corner) and six 50s. A lot of those runs were at the start of his stint though and for two years he averaged 26 from 12 matches, which puts him at Tim McIntosh level.
Regarding Raval, I'm actually trying to contain myself because he seems to good to be true. Apart from a couple of minor things he's a technically sound young opener scoring big domestic runs and looks pretty classy. New Zealand hasn't had that in forever so I'm becoming pretty convinced there is a trick here somewhere.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Good work
