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MJ Clarke - numero uno Test batsman?

MJ Clarke - numero uno Test batsman?

  • Kevin "I vote me" Pietersen

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  • Mitchell "The MJ mojo mo" Johnson

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  • Total voters
    26
  • Poll closed .

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Man, to live in a world where cricket is such a simple game
Sure, he is a great player, but he has the same record as Mahela J - averages 60 at home and 40 abroad and no-one ever thought he was no 1 in the world.

It is a personal thing, but I can't categorically say he is better than Chanderpaul, Amla or Sanga till he does better away from Oz - and yes the 150 was an amazing knock. The deification by the ch 9 fan bois doesn't help either.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
The reason serious cricket-watchers don't particularly rate Mahela away from home isn't because of a number. It's because he invariably nicks the ball once he faces any half-decent seam bowlers on a pitch with bounce or movement. It's not some mystical number that's pulled out of nowhere.

Clarke, on the other hand, is still an extremely dangerous batsman on any surface in the world. And yes, he is decisively better than Chanderpaul.
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
Voted Amla. Pretty much purely on a whim. It's bloody close between him and Clarke. No one currently comes anywhere near to those two
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I really don't think there's as big a gulf between Clarke and Amla and the rest as most of you do; I think it just seems a bit that way because they're playing the big ticket series we're all more interested in. I've got them clearly, but only marginally, ahead of Chanderpaul as the unholy combination of the latter's technique and temperament makes it difficult to find an ideal role for him, but I don't have them clearly ahead of Sangakkara. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to not vote for Sanga ahead of them if he was actually part of the poll.

The issue with Sanga is that Sri Lanka have played such little Test cricket of late - only two Tests in 2013 and they were both against Bangladesh - but I find it pretty unfair to really hold that against him, especially when he's done so well in all the cricket he's played whenever he has played anyway. Three tons and a fifty in those two Tests they did play this year, a big 2012, good ODI and domestic performances this year etc definitely don't suggest a decline, and I held him in higher regard when Sri Lanka were actually playing Tests than I do Clarke and Amla now. I think I tend to hold a more longer-term view with these things than most, but while I think it'd be fair to say that Clarke and Amla are comfortably the form batsmen in world cricket, I wouldn't have them down as comfortably the best. They've certainly both got big claims to it - I've got no issue with someone saying either of them is the best around - but I think the main difference between how we perceive them and Sangakarra/Chanderpaul is that they're playing more matches that we're really interested in.
 

OverratedSanity

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I'm very very surprised Clarke is leading by such a big margin. Amla's run of form now has been going on for almost 4 years now and in that period he's scored consistently in every country he's played in. Clarke has been godlike since taking over the captaincy but I'm still not convinced with his ability to handle movement confidently.
I vote Amla... It's very close but he seems to fit my vision of a complete batsman better than Clarke....
 

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
Probably depends if your rankings have an allowance for therestofmysidehasalreadydonethehardwork or not
 

NUFAN

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I really don't think there's as big a gulf between Clarke and Amla and the rest as most of you do; I think it just seems a bit that way because they're playing the big ticket series we're all more interested in. I've got them clearly, but only marginally, ahead of Chanderpaul as the unholy combination of the latter's technique and temperament makes it difficult to find an ideal role for him, but I don't have them clearly ahead of Sangakkara. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to not vote for Sanga ahead of them if he was actually part of the poll.

The issue with Sanga is that Sri Lanka have played such little Test cricket of late - only two Tests in 2013 and they were both against Bangladesh - but I find it pretty unfair to really hold that against him, especially when he's done so well in all the cricket he's played whenever he has played anyway. Three tons and a fifty in those two Tests they did play this year, a big 2012, good ODI and domestic performances this year etc definitely don't suggest a decline, and I held him in higher regard when Sri Lanka were actually playing Tests than I do Clarke and Amla now. I think I tend to hold a more longer-term view with these things than most, but while I think it'd be fair to say that Clarke and Amla are comfortably the form batsmen in world cricket, I wouldn't have them down as comfortably the best. They've certainly both got big claims to it - I've got no issue with someone saying either of them is the best around - but I think the main difference between how we perceive them and Sangakarra/Chanderpaul is that they're playing more matches that we're really interested in.
Sri Lanka have played a Test against Australia this year too.
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
The reason serious cricket-watchers don't particularly rate Mahela away from home isn't because of a number. It's because he invariably nicks the ball once he faces any half-decent seam bowlers on a pitch with bounce or movement. It's not some mystical number that's pulled out of nowhere.

Clarke, on the other hand, is still an extremely dangerous batsman on any surface in the world. And yes, he is decisively better than Chanderpaul.
Mahela away record has declined recently but so has his overall game even at home at his peak Mahela would do what Clarke does these days in an away series play one quality innings of substance which gives everyone this illusion that Clarke is some god away from home aswell and then go missing for rest of the series. For me Clarke is no different to a Mahela or Mo Yo were at their peak.

My personal rankings will be AB, Sanga, Amla, Clarke, KP in that order.
 

OverratedSanity

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Clarke is so far superior to mahela it's stupid.
As someone already mentioned, Mahela just has never been able to handle any form of sideways movement with even a hint of confidence. His away record hasn't declined recently, it's always been terrible. Clarke, while he does struggle at times with seam and swing, is hardly a Mahela type bunny... He's merely decent in those conditions.
I have no hesitation in saying Mahela, while a great batsman in his own way is an enormously limited batsman and requires a very specific set of parameters in his favour to get his big scores regularly. Clarke is just far superior in virtually every way
 
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Maximas

Cricketer Of The Year
The recent tour to Australia proved the limitations of Mahela's game, he nicked off all the time, mainly before getting in too - although he played a couple of good knocks in Sydney, but when there was good bounce and movement he really struggled
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
Mahela away record has declined 2010 onwards but during his peak years 2004-2009 it was not to dissimilar to Clarke one good knock in a bunch of low scores. Clarke is a better away batsman but not by much.
 

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