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"Best ever" teams selected by former players or experts- whose is best?

kyear2

International Coach
Geoff Armstrong
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Pollock, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Marshall, Warne, Barnes

Cricinfo
Hutton, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Gilchrist, Marshall, Akram, Warne, Lillee

Geoffrey Boycott
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Headley, Richards, Sobers, Knott, Marshall, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Bleacher
Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Miller, Imran, Warne, Marshall, Barnes

Benaud
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Imran, Gilchrist, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

CricketWeb
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Marshall, Warne, McGrath

Christopher Martin-Jenkins
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Marshall, Warne, Barnes, McGrath

Harsh Thakor
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Akram, Marshall, Lillee

The Roar
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Marshall, Lillee, McGrath

Wisden
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Knott, Akram, Warne, Marshall, Barnes

Third Man Cricket
Gavaskar, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Warne, Marshall, McGrath

Kim Hughes
Hobbs, Trumper, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Marshall, Warne, Lillee

Martin Crowe
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Marshall, Lillee, Barnes

Reuters
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Headley, Grace, Sobers, Imran, Knott, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Courier-Mail
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gavaskar, Akram, Marshall, Warne, Lillee

On Drive Update
Gavaskar, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Knott, Marshall, Warne, Lillee, Muralitharan

Roulette Cricket
Hobbs, Richards, Bradman, Lara, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Warne, Marshall, McGrath
 
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kyear2

International Coach
01. Sir Jack Hobbs (16)
02. Sunil Gavaskar (07)
03. Sir Donald Bradman* (17)
04. Sir I.V.A. Richards^ (13)
05. Sachin Tendulkar (12)
06. Sir Garfield Sobers^ (17)
07. Adam Gilchrist+ (13)
08. Malcolm Marshall (15)
09. Shane Warne^ (17)
10. Dennis Lillee (10)
11. Sydney Barnes (08)
 
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kyear2

International Coach
Looking for two more teams, but not as easy as initially imagined. Will likely initially use two teams from forum members DoG and Fred for I believe fairly obvious reasons.

For the record DoG last listed XI
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Lara, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Warne

Fredfertang
Hutton, Richards, Bradman, Compton, Lara, Sobers, Knott, Larwood, Marshall, Hadlee, Warne

Don't know if Fred would have any changes to make to his team.
 
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Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Use my team. I am a significant authority on the game.


Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman
G.Chappell
V. Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Akram
Marshall
Warne
Lillee
 

kyear2

International Coach
Use my team. I am a significant authority on the game.


Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman
G.Chappell
V. Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Akram
Marshall
Warne
Lillee
What happened to Barry Richards, last team you selected had him as the opener. I selection I am convincing myself of as well.
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Barry Richards, Greenidge, Hutton and Hobbs are the four contenders for my team in the opening spot.

I don't think Hobbs can be left out. Remarkable player with a remarkable record and legacy, and a real groundbreaker. The more I read about Hutton the more I admire him. As complete an opening batsman as you can find. Hobbs and Hutton's consistency gives me want I was in an opening pair.

I love Barry Richards, and I wish he'd played 50 tests. EVERYONE who saw him said how amazing he was.

Greenidge is more a personal favorite.

I'm happy with any combo of the four. And I'd prefer to watch GG and BR. But pragmatically, it has to be Hobbs and Hutton.
 

kyear2

International Coach
Wasim Akram took less than 4WPM, had a disproportionate high number of tail end wickets and a strike rate over 54, why is he seen as a better bowler that his countryman Imran and more importantly than McGrath from his era?

Likewise Lillee played in the same era as Hadlee and in similar conditions and Hadlee was statistically better, plus Lillee practically only played in three countries and in consistently more helpful conditions that McGrath and he too out performs him.

So slightly mystified by the Akram love especially over Imran who was for me the better bowler and brings his batting to the party and for me neither was as good a bowler that McGrath who seems similarly buried in the shadow of D.K Lillee.

Think it's now fair to say that they are pretty much 8 players who are shoo ins for an ATG XI side. In order of certainty, Bradman, Sobers, Warne, Hobbs, Marshall, Gilchrist, Richards and Tendulkar.
The last three spots though can make the world of difference especially considering that two of them as the teams No. 2 and 3 fast bowlers and the opening partner for Hobbs.

I am coming to the conclusion that Imran is the best option for #8. He is not the 3rd best fast bowler of All Time in my estimation but for a World XI one of the bowlers should be from the sub continent and proficient in the conditions and his batting just adds that extra dimension to the team. Imran was also a pioneer and master of reverse swing and as such the ideal old ball bowler.

To open the bowling with Marshall, McGrath is again the ideal option to open the bowling into the wind. The W.I was most dominant with Marshall opening the bowling with Garner whose height and accuracy was the perfect foil for Marshall's abilities. Think of McGrath as the improved version of Garner and the ultimate metronome and competitor who had the innate ability to consistently find the outside edge, he also had an amazing partnership with Warne, who is also in the team.

To open with Hobbs, I normally select Hutton who overcame so much and played against some awesome attacks before and after the War and seldom failed. The problem is that everyone who say Barry Richards bat either compared him to Sobers and his name sake from Antigua or says he was simply the best they ever saw. His exploits in WSC and the ROW series and in First Class cricket also shows what he was capable of. He was also a superb slipper who would allow a young Vivian to roam the offside or push Warne to Gully. Win win situation and genius added.

So for mine, the definitive ATG XI would be
Hobbs | Richards | Bradman | Richards | Tendulkar | Sobers | Gilchrist | Imran | Marshall | Warne | McGrath
 

kyear2

International Coach
Back on topic



Geoff Armstrong
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Pollock, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Marshall, Warne, Barnes

Cricinfo
Hutton, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Gilchrist, Marshall, Akram, Warne, Lillee

Geoffrey Boycott
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Headley, Richards, Sobers, Knott, Marshall, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Bleacher
Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Miller, Imran, Warne, Marshall, Barnes

Benaud
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Imran, Gilchrist, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

CricketWeb
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Marshall, Warne, McGrath

Christopher Martin-Jenkins
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Marshall, Warne, Barnes, McGrath

Harsh Thakor
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Akram, Marshall, Lillee

The Roar
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Marshall, Lillee, McGrath

Wisden
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Knott, Akram, Warne, Marshall, Barnes

Third Man Cricket
Gavaskar, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Warne, Marshall, McGrath

Kim Hughes
Hobbs, Trumper, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Marshall, Warne, Lillee

Martin Crowe
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Marshall, Lillee, Barnes

Reuters
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Headley, Grace, Sobers, Imran, Knott, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Courier-Mail
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gavaskar, Akram, Marshall, Warne, Lillee

On Drive Update
Gavaskar, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Knott, Marshall, Warne, Lillee, Muralitharan

Roulette Cricket
Hobbs, Richards, Bradman, Lara, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Warne, Marshall, McGrath

Third Umpire
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Muralitharan, McGrath


01. Sir Jack Hobbs (17)
02. Sunil Gavaskar (08)
03. Sir Donald Bradman* (18)
04. Sir I.V.A. Richards^ (13)
05. Sachin Tendulkar (12)
06. Sir Garfield Sobers^ (18)
07. Adam Gilchrist+ (14)
08. Malcolm Marshall (16)
09. Shane Warne^ (17)
10. Dennis Lillee (10)
11. Sydney Barnes (08)
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has


Don't care what anyone says about a couple of runs difference in average or where he did or didn't play. Lillee is the greatest quick bowler ever.
 

kyear2

International Coach
Final 20

CricketWeb
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Marshall, Warne, McGrath

Geoff Armstrong
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Pollock, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Marshall, Warne, Barnes

Cricinfo
Hutton, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Gilchrist, Marshall, Akram, Warne, Lillee

Wisden
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Knott, Akram, Warne, Marshall, Barnes

Geoffrey Boycott
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Headley, Richards, Sobers, Knott, Marshall, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Benaud
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Imran, Gilchrist, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Christopher Martin-Jenkins
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Marshall, Warne, Barnes, McGrath

Courier-Mail
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Marshall, Warne, Lillee

Reuters
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Headley, Grace, Sobers, Imran, Knott, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Kim Hughes
Hobbs, Trumper, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Marshall, Warne, Lillee

Martin Crowe
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Marshall, Lillee, Barnes

DoG
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Lara, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Warne

Third Man Cricket
Gavaskar, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Warne, Marshall, McGrath

Harsh Thakor
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Akram, Marshall, Lillee

The Roar
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Marshall, Lillee, McGrath

On Drive Update
Gavaskar, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Knott, Marshall, Warne, Lillee, Muralitharan

Roulette Cricket
Hobbs, Richards, Bradman, Lara, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Warne, Marshall, McGrath

Third Umpire
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Muralitharan, McGrath

Bleacher
Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Miller, Imran, Warne, Marshall, Barnes


01. Sir Jack Hobbs (18)
02. Sunil Gavaskar (08)
03. Sir Donald Bradman* (19)
04. Sir I.V.A. Richards^ (14)
05. Sachin Tendulkar (12)
06. Sir Garfield Sobers^ (19)
07. Adam Gilchrist+ (15)
08. Malcolm Marshall (17)
09. Shane Warne^ (18)
10. Dennis Lillee (10)
11. Sydney Barnes (08)[/QUOTE]
 

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The normal awards that everyone else has
Great work kyear, very cool!

Just for the record, here is Alan McGilvray's best Australian side that he saw:

Sid Barnes
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Neil Harvey
Greg Chappell
Doug Walters
Keith Miller
Ray Lindwall
Don Tallon
Bill O'Reilly
Bill Johnston

McGilvray's all time Australian team is:

Arthur Morris
Victor Trumper
Don Bradman
Neil Harvey
Greg Chappell
Monty Noble (c)
Keith Miller
Ray Lindwall
Don Tallon
Bill O'Reilly
Clarrie Grimmett
Clem Hill (12th)

His English team from the period he observed was:

Hutton
Edrich
Boycott
Barrington
Compton
May
Botham
Evans
Bedser
Snow
Underwood


McGilvray- "The Game Goes On" (1987)
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Great work kyear, very cool!

Just for the record, here is Alan McGilvray's best Australian side that he saw:

Sid Barnes
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Neil Harvey
Greg Chappell
Doug Walters
Keith Miller
Ray Lindwall
Don Tallon
Bill O'Reilly
Bill Johnston

McGilvray's all time Australian team is:

Arthur Morris
Victor Trumper
Don Bradman
Neil Harvey
Greg Chappell
Monty Noble (c)
Keith Miller
Ray Lindwall
Don Tallon
Bill O'Reilly
Clarrie Grimmett
Clem Hill (12th)

His English team from the period he observed was:

Hutton
Edrich
Boycott
Barrington
Compton
May
Botham
Evans
Bedser
Snow
Underwood


McGilvray- "The Game Goes On" (1987)
Weird guy. Only 4 bowlers in both the Australian and English teams from "what he saw". Doug Walters the fifth bowling option, when he could have had Miller at 6, and added Lillee. Trueman doesn't find a place in the Englsih XI? Really. Again, refuses to use Botham at number 6, and add Trueman.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Final 20

CricketWeb
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Marshall, Warne, McGrath

Geoff Armstrong
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Pollock, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Marshall, Warne, Barnes

Cricinfo
Hutton, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Gilchrist, Marshall, Akram, Warne, Lillee

Wisden
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Knott, Akram, Warne, Marshall, Barnes

Geoffrey Boycott
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Headley, Richards, Sobers, Knott, Marshall, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Benaud
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Imran, Gilchrist, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Christopher Martin-Jenkins
Grace, Hobbs, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Marshall, Warne, Barnes, McGrath

Courier-Mail
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Marshall, Warne, Lillee

Reuters
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Headley, Grace, Sobers, Imran, Knott, Warne, Lillee, Barnes

Kim Hughes
Hobbs, Trumper, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Marshall, Warne, Lillee

Martin Crowe
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Marshall, Lillee, Barnes

DoG
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Lara, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Warne

Third Man Cricket
Gavaskar, Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Warne, Marshall, McGrath

Harsh Thakor
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Akram, Marshall, Lillee

The Roar
Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne, Marshall, Lillee, McGrath

On Drive Update
Gavaskar, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Knott, Marshall, Warne, Lillee, Muralitharan

Roulette Cricket
Hobbs, Richards, Bradman, Lara, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Akram, Warne, Marshall, McGrath

Third Umpire
Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Hammond, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Muralitharan, McGrath

Bleacher
Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Miller, Imran, Warne, Marshall, Barnes


01. Sir Jack Hobbs (18)
02. Sunil Gavaskar (08)
03. Sir Donald Bradman* (19)
04. Sir I.V.A. Richards^ (14)
05. Sachin Tendulkar (12)
06. Sir Garfield Sobers^ (19)
07. Adam Gilchrist+ (15)
08. Malcolm Marshall (17)
09. Shane Warne^ (18)
10. Dennis Lillee (10)
11. Sydney Barnes (08)
[/QUOTE]

There are only 19 teams named! I was wondering who in there right mind would have left out Bradman.
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
So Barnes beats Imran by one vote.

I'd personally have Imran. Like Hadlee vs. McGrath, they are probably equal as bowlers, but Imran's batting gives him the place in the team, imo. Also, Imran averaged about the same as Barnes in the 1980s in much more batsman-friendly conditions.

Anyway, I digress. Great exercise, Kyear.
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Weird guy. Only 4 bowlers in both the Australian and English teams from "what he saw". Doug Walters the fifth bowling option, when he could have had Miller at 6, and added Lillee. Trueman doesn't find a place in the Englsih XI? Really. Again, refuses to use Botham at number 6, and add Trueman.
Reckon 4 bowlers plus Walters, and Chappell's med pace is ok.

MacGilvray says that Trueman was unlucky, but considers Bedser's strike power better. Same as Snow. To quote him "for all Freddie's fire and fury, Snow was simply a better bowler. Ian Botham, supreme all rounder, would adequately shore up the pace department without need of another specialist".
 

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