What is Sachin's 99.94?

[OverratedSanity]

By your own admission, you're too young to remember the 90s.

The quality of cricket was much higher than it is now.

I was born in 89 so I saw Tendulkar's peak when I was at the most impressionable age possible. Lets move on

 

[harsh.ag]

Hmmm IMHO, as Test batsmen, and I'd be open to arguments to the contrary;

1.Ponting
2=Dravid/Sangakkara
3= Chanderpaul/ Inzamam

Yours?

1, Ponting
2. Dravid
3. Inzamam
4. Sangakkara
5. Chanderpaul

 

[Goughy]

Had Tendulkar been born in 1983 instead of 1973; made his debut in 1999, and then peaked say between 2002 and today, I seriously think he'd have averaged 75 by now.

Ha! Well that has convinced me. Cast iron argument there. Not a single hole can be can be found.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Established batsman averaging higher than inexperienced batsman shocker.

I acknowledged this.

But by a number of different metrics, Tendulkar >>> Kallis.

It's basically revisionism to claim otherwise.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Ha! Well that has convinced me. Cast iron argument there. Not a single hole can be can be found.

Are you the same Goughy who implied Cook could be better than Tendulkar, perchance?

Those in glass houses, princess.

 

[Zinzan]

Ha! Well that has convinced me. Cast iron argument there. Not a single hole can be can be found.

Yup, although all that was needed to settle it for me was the use of an exclamation point at the end !

 

[centurymaker]

Haha, nice one, rather than rationally dealing with the points made, let's get all emotional about it shall we. 'Ahh, ignore him, he has a different view than me.'... Childish reaction...

Sorry I need to learn to not care about others' opinions, regardless of what they are. (I don't know how I get sucked into this again and again) Everyone is the way they are/or holds the opinions they do because of what they have observed/gone through in life. So I should be more understanding, and should not judge people regardless of whatever they say. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Sorry about anti-Tendulkar comment.

 

[Zinzan]

Sorry I need to learn to not care about others' opinions, regardless of what they are. (I don't know how I get sucked into this again and again) Everyone is the way they are/or holds the opinions they do because of what they have observed/gone through in life. So I should be more understanding, and should not judge people regardless of whatever they say. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Sorry about anti-Tendulkar comment.

Thank you kind sir. Apology accepted.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Last 3 pages of this thread deserve a million epic facepalms

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Last 3 pages of this thread deserve a million epic facepalms

Emotive subject I guess

 

[centurymaker]

While I 100% agree with you that you get diminishing returns with your average as you lower the standard of bowling because batsmen are human and are prone to concentration lapses, Tendulkar scored 4,825 runs @ 85 for Mumbai in 63 innings. That's not a small sample size and isn't not a joke level of cricket either; he demonstrated the ability to really bat bowlers of moderately lower levels into submission. He definitely had the concentration to average that sort of amount against professional cricketers.

I think the "decreased bowling standards this century" argument is massively exaggerated so I don't agree with GFL, but I don't think it's silly to suggest that if the bowling standards were lower Tendulkar would've had a much higher average.

The really silly thing about GFL's argument is that Tendulkar is only two years older than Kallis. Yeah Tendulkar started a bit earlier but they reached their peak years at roughly the same time against roughly the same opposition and Tendulkar was not conclusively better.

True, he indeed has great stats for Mumbia. But yeah people exaggerate the fall in standards. They have infact been on the up in the past few yrs IMO, especially the bowling standards,

 

[Zinzan]

Last 3 pages of this thread deserve a million epic facepalms

Yeah shocking alright. Imagine it! A bunch of passionate cricket fans politely (well relatively so) debating differing views in a cricket forum. Well I never......

 

[centurymaker]

1, Ponting
2. Dravid
3. Inzamam
4. Sangakkara
5. Chanderpaul

I'd go with that as well.

 

[centurymaker]

I doubt many would have commented at all if someone hadn't started the hypothetical Cook = Tendulkar debate.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Why Cook is better than Tendulkar -

#1 Tendulkar can't play lefthanded

 

[Shri]

Last 3 pages of this thread deserve a million epic facepalms

I'll give a palm to your face gladly.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah shocking alright. Imagine it! A bunch of passionate cricket fans politely (well relatively so) debating differing views in a cricket forum. Well I never......

Didn't mean your debate with centurymaker obv

But posts which say Tendulkar would average 70 if he'd hit his prime later and that Kallis would average 45 in the 90s are preposterous. How can someone make those claims? There's nothing to back them up whatsoever

 

[Daemon]

If you take away Tendulkar's first 4 years in international cricket the **** still has about 15000 runs. Not sure why 'he made his debut at 16' is sometimes trotted out to seemingly make his total tally of runs and hundreds seem less special. If anything it should add to the perception of how talented he was and extra points should be given compared to someone like Kallis who started dominating when he was 25, nearly 5-6 years older than what Tendulkar was when he started. Hope I'm not being ageist or whatever but to be that good that young surely counts for something. If Kallis plays until 45 or something then he should get the imaginary bonus points too though obv.

I was about to make a greater point arguing against nobody but I've been asked to play DoTA. You've all been spared.

 

[Prince EWS]

Not sure why 'he made his debut at 16' is sometimes trotted out to seemingly make his total tally of runs and hundreds seem less special. If anything it should add to the perception of how talented he was and extra points should be given compared to someone like Kallis

For the record, in case I didn't make it clear, that's exactly how I view it. Which is why I said Kallis would need to play on into his mid 40s for me to consider him better than Tendulkar as a batsman.

I brought up the age he debuted when comparing him to Kallis in reply to the idea that they somehow played the majority of their career in completely different eras or played the same bowling at different phases of their career. They're two years apart, so if Kallis did better in the 2001-2011 period than Tendulkar then it's absolutely to his credit and not because of the mythical generation difference, or the difference between the attacks in the 90s and the attacks in the 00s. That doesn't mean he was a better bat of course, and IMO he wasn't for various reasons unless things change, but Tendulkar wasn't performing only similarly to Kallis or worse because he was a whole two years older for ten years.

 

[Daemon]

For the record, in case I didn't make it clear, that's exactly how I view it. Which is why I said Kallis would need to play on into his mid 40s for me to consider him better than Tendulkar as a batsman.

I brought up the age he debuted when comparing him to Kallis in reply to the idea that they somehow played the majority of their career in completely different eras or played the same bowling at different phases of their career. They're two years apart, so if Kallis did better in the 2001-2011 period than Tendulkar then it's absolutely to his credit and not because of the mythical generation difference, or the difference between the attacks in the 90s and the attacks in the 00s. That doesn't mean he was a better bat of course, and IMO he wasn't for various reasons unless things change, but Tendulkar wasn't performing only similarly to Kallis or worse because he was a whole two years old when they were both still in their late 20s/early 30s anyway.

Yeah, initally I had you quoted, but then I reread and saw that bit about how Kallis would need to play on for longer to sort of cancel it out.

So basically I ended up making a post arguing against no one.

And my dota crashed for those interested.