***Official*** West Indies in India 2013

[JontyPanesar]

hmmm I didn't watch that series, but yeah, Younis is the man.

I actually like most of the international spinners right now, including Lyon. I guess they all have some limitations and we should stop expecting them to be Warne or Murali.

I like Ojha quite a bit so it was frustrating for me to see Jadeja picked ahead of him for the Aus series. The fact that Jadeja ended up doing so well due to Aussie ineptness as well as pitches that suited him to a tee really annoyed me, because it was such a negative tactic. They know Ojha's a better bowler but it seems they'd decided upon the most risk-free method to win the series.

This is starting to become quite the circle jerk. Fully agree. Lyon's terrific and cops way too much given his ability and performance. Love that flick he can get with his wider grip. People need to stop acting like everyone who can't replicate Warne or Murali is somehow third-rate. Aus is obsessed with picking the next big thing until the next big thing becomes a leg spinner. Mickey Arthur deserved to be fired solely for allowing X-man to find his way into a test XI. Oh and I don't really like Maxi either, but that's unfair to him; still early days and not really anything more than a part-timer.

Feel so bad for Ojha that Jadeja came in and got away with his roundarm darts on pure turners. That style of bowling only makes sense if you have a rank turner or if you have to settle for a Paul Harris type bowler. India can do better than a Paul Harris type. And I do not rate Jaddu as a batsman simply because he made triple centuries on pancake pitches. As admirable as that is, I'm not sure how that translates to the test arena.

 

[Maximas]

tbf to Jadeja he succeeded where Doherty (whom I thought was a very similar bowler) failed. The real tragedy of the whole thing was Bajji getting a game based on **** all while Ohja (who was the best spinner against England) had to sit out

 

[JontyPanesar]

tbh to Jadeja he succeeded where Doherty (whom I thought was a very similar bowler) failed. The real tragedy of the whole thing was Bajji getting a game based on **** all while Ohja (who was the best spinner against England) had to sit out

But Bhajji must be the best bowler now because he did something something 10 years ago and look at all those wickets he has taken. He's clearly better. Just ask Dada.

On a serious note though, really a shame how Bhajji let his skills erode. Funny how all of the players Dada picked pretty much failed because of laziness and/or lack of fitness (Sehwag, Yuvraj, Bhajji, and Zak). I think Zak is going to have the best legacy of Dada's four and will ultimately come back.

 

[Cevno]

Dhawal Kulkarni out of ODI's and Vinay Kumar called up as replacement.

Could have gone for someone else like Sid Kaul.

 

[Shri]

Mohit Sharma should have got another chance. Looked good enough for ODIs.

 

[Daemon]

Mohit Sharma should have got another chance. Looked good enough for ODIs.

Yeah. Vinay's had way too many chances.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I think Zak is going to have the best legacy of Dada's four and will ultimately come back.

Sehwag, surely. Chances of him coming back are pretty slim but imo he's a great of the modern game, overseas failings be damned. I'd certainly have him as opener in a team of the last 20 odd years.

 

[harsh.ag]

But Bhajji must be the best bowler now because he did something something 10 years ago and look at all those wickets he has taken. He's clearly better. Just ask Dada.

On a serious note though, really a shame how Bhajji let his skills erode. Funny how all of the players Dada picked pretty much failed because of laziness and/or lack of fitness (Sehwag, Yuvraj, Bhajji, and Zak). I think Zak is going to have the best legacy of Dada's four and will ultimately come back.

Sehwag to have the best legacy by far. Yuvi's battles have made him much tougher, much less lazy. Bhajji just went downhill, a slow decline, not a sudden one. As long as Umesh Yadav is fit to play, Zak should not make it back.

 

[harsh.ag]

Dhawal Kulkarni out of ODI's and Vinay Kumar called up as replacement.

Could have gone for someone else like Sid Kaul.

Yup, Mohit Sharma, Varun Aaron, Awana etc. Give more people a chance. Vinay is boring as hell.

 

[JontyPanesar]

Sehwag, surely. Chances of him coming back are pretty slim but imo he's a great of the modern game, overseas failings be damned. I'd certainly have him as opener in a team of the last 20 odd years.

If Tendulkar's overall attitude and approach to the game should be praised to the skies, Sehwag's should be damned. Zero work ethic. Virtually zero consideration for the team unless his individual quest for glory tied into the team cause. Total slouch in the field and mediocre at best in the slips. Never tried to adapt or improve in any way. He never prepared. He never got fit. History will look very unfavorably on Sehwag. Especially as the younger Indians enjoy more success and show greater dedication to their craft and physical fitness. You think I'm harsh, but that's the story of Sehwag's career without the rose-colored glasses. He's the prodigal son of cricket if there ever was one.

 

[Jono]

That's irrelevant, you said he failed. If Sehwag's test career is a "failure" than you have a wacky definition of failing.

 

[nsniks]

Mohit Sharma should have got another chance. Looked good enough for ODIs.

Yeah. Vinay's had way too many chances.

Mohit Sharma is in the squad

 

[JontyPanesar]

Sehwag to have the best legacy by far. Yuvi's battles have made him much tougher, much less lazy. Bhajji just went downhill, a slow decline, not a sudden one. As long as Umesh Yadav is fit to play, Zak should not make it back.

Yuvraj never took care of his fitness. Never learned to adapt his game from the typical Indian who likes to lazily drive on the front foot and wuss out of the short ball pathetically. Despite so many unnecessary Test caps he was given. Yuvraj's World Cup performance will be immortalized, and as a t20 batsman he's done well, but for all that he could be, he simply wasn't. The fitness issue has surrounded him throughout his career...not a recent thing that's related to his lung cancer

 

[JontyPanesar]

That's irrelevant, you said he failed. If Sehwag's test career is a "failure" than you have a wacky definition of failing.

You have a wacky interpretation of my original comment. All four of them failed to maintain their spot in the side despite not being of the age to retire (35+). They failed in that respect and were subsequently dropped. Sehwag enjoyed tons of success in the first half of his career. I never denied him that.

Or because of chronic, persistent, non-fitness-related injuries (e.g. stress-fractures).

 

[Shri]

Lol. You are talking out of your ass. Sehwag lost his touch because his eyes were shot not because of his fitness. He even tried wearing glasses to help but it has clearly not helped. He will retire soon without making a comeback.

 

[JontyPanesar]

Lol. You are talking out of your ass. Sehwag lost his touch because his eyes were shot not because of his fitness. He even tried wearing glasses to help but it has clearly not helped. He will retire soon without making a comeback.

Sehwag also sustained his share of injuries during his prolonged decline. And I'm not saying fitness was the primary reason why his batting started to suck. That has more to do with a stubborn sense of my way is the highway even though his way was clearly not working for him for a long time.

 

[Prince EWS]

Sehwag's lack of fitness and - probably - general lack of interest in adapting to his changing strengths and weaknesses have definitely contributed to his early decline IMO.

Even during his prime he said he wasn't the sort of guy who'd play into his late 30s so we all saw this coming.

 

[JontyPanesar]

I'm sure I've alienated all other Indian fans on this forum by pouring a gallon of haterade on Sehwag....but I'm not trying to troll here.

 

[OverratedSanity]

If Tendulkar's overall attitude and approach to the game should be praised to the skies, Sehwag's should be damned. Zero work ethic. Virtually zero consideration for the team unless his individual quest for glory tied into the team cause. Total slouch in the field and mediocre at best in the slips. Never tried to adapt or improve in any way. He never prepared. He never got fit. History will look very unfavorably on Sehwag. Especially as the younger Indians enjoy more success and show greater dedication to their craft and physical fitness. You think I'm harsh, but that's the story of Sehwag's career without the rose-colored glasses. He's the prodigal son of cricket if there ever was one.

I don't know if sehwag's lazy or not, and neither do you. He gave the team almost a decade of brilliance. This is a guy who was one of the biggest reasons for us getting to no. 1 and batted his whole career out of position simply because we wanted an attacking opener. Calling a guy with two triples, average of almost 50, an unheard of strike rate of 80 and an ability to produce match winning innings out of nothing a failure is preposterous.
His decline has made me extremely sad, the guy was a genius and will be remembered as one

 

[Prince EWS]

I'm sure I've alienated all other Indian fans on this forum by pouring a gallon of haterade on Sehwag

Don't think this is really the case. They just disagree with you. It's not ICF.