England 05 v England 13

[watson]

Marto was awesome... My absolute favorite batsman from that aussie side.
The whole lineup was found out in that series tbh, the bowling from the English quartet was simply too good. Martyn actually played a vital innings at Lord's in the second innings, unlike Hayden who cashed in when conditions were the easiest in the series. That hundred was useless

Hayden's scored just one century on English soil and underperformed during both his tours;

2001: 5 Tests - 234 runs at 33.53 - HS = 68

2005: 5 Tests - 318 runs at 35.33 - HS =138

So I think that his failure in 2005 was more to do with his lack of technique in English conditions rather than the English bowlers per se. That is, merely hitting through the line with static-footwork may be OK in Australia or India, but is rarely going to succeed in England.

 

[Red]

Hayden failed because he was just a massive flat track bully who failed against most decent quick bowlers in conditions that favoured the bowlers.



So far from an ideal opener it's not funny, and he was just ****ing lucky his career coincided with a pretty weak era of pace bowling and flat as **** pitches. I can't remember one clutch innings from Hayden where he dug in when it was tough.

 

[andyc]

Hayden failed because he was just a massive flat track bully who failed against most decent quick bowlers in conditions that favoured the bowlers.



So far from an ideal opener it's not funny, and he was just ****ing lucky his career coincided with a pretty weak era of pace bowling and flat as **** pitches. I can't remember one clutch innings from Hayden where he dug in when it was tough.

Single-handedly outscored Pakistan in 2002 tbf.

 

[Daemon]

Abdul Razzaq used to bat 3? Christ..

 

[watson]

Single-handedly outscored Pakistan in 2002 tbf.

That game in the UAE doesn't strike me as a bench-mark Test match. Perhaps everyone turned up at Sharjah just for a bit of Duty Free Shopping.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Single-handedly outscored Pakistan in 2002 tbf.

Coming in as opener on a flat pitch after the opposition has been bowled out for 59. So much pressure, eh? Terrible weather though, I'll give him that.
It's strange that Sehwag is criticised so often for his limitations but he's played his fair share of great innings when the team's been under the pump. Hayden's not just an FTB he was a pretty fair weather batsman(ironic since he made that sharjah hundred in 50 degree heat). I rarely remember him delivering in a crunch situation

 

[watson]

Coming in as opener on a flat pitch after the opposition has been bowled out for 59. So much pressure, eh? Terrible weather though, I'll give him that.
It's strange that Sehwag is criticised so often for his limitations but he's played his fair share of great innings when the team's been under the pump. Hayden's not just an FTB he was a pretty fair weather batsman(ironic since he made that sharjah hundred in 50 degree heat). I rarely remember him delivering in a crunch situation

Hayden won 9 Man of the Match awards in his career;

HowSTAT! Man of Match Awards


So by looking at those 9 games where Hayden won Man of the Match, the closest that he came to a 'crunch situation' (from what I can gather) was the 2nd Test against Sri Lanka in July 2004. Hayden made 132 runs out of a second innings team total of 292. Sri Lanka held on for a draw on the 5th day with just 2 wickets left;

HowSTAT! Match Scorecard

 

[Riggins]

The there's one player who might qualify for being in a pressure situation per match? Seems legit.

 

[GIMH]

Of course there was often no pressure because off the start Hayden gave his side.

But he struggled in 05 because we had a plan for him and it worked.

 

[Riggins]

This isn't a case of McGrath vs Atherton. The bowling was tight but Flintoff aside he just required time at the crease to solve. Hayden didn't care about his strike rate yet some of the deliveries he went after were one day wide full deliveries and leg side ones. Hayden wasn't usually bothered about being starved of runs. That's why I believe his poor form was 60% and disciplined bowling was 40% of why he was neutered.

 

[Daemon]

Hayden won 9 Man of the Match awards in his career;

HowSTAT! Man of Match Awards


So by looking at those 9 games where Hayden won Man of the Match, the closest that he came to a 'crunch situation' (from what I can gather) was the 2nd Test against Sri Lanka in July 2004. Hayden made 132 runs out of a second innings team total of 292. Sri Lanka held on for a draw on the 5th day with just 2 wickets left;

HowSTAT! Match Scorecard

Damien Martyn only had 3 man of the match awards in his entire career. What a hack.

 

[OverratedSanity]

So by looking at those 9 games where Hayden won Man of the Match, the closest that he came to a 'crunch situation' (from what I can gather) was the 2nd Test against Sri Lanka in July 2004. Hayden made 132 runs out of a second innings team total of 292. Sri Lanka held on for a draw on the 5th day with just 2 wickets left;

HowSTAT! Match Scorecard

No Murali though so it doesn't count

Kidding, it looks like a good innings when the team needed it. I'd love to see more such examples and my assumption of Hayden being an FWB be proven wrong

 

[Riggins]

that hundred he made with symonds at the G surely counts as being under pressure? Weren't we 4-20 or so?

mm we we were 5.80 following england making 160 in the first innings http://www.espncricinfo.com/ausveng/engine/match/249225.html

that scorecard really does suggest batting was not easy.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Damien Martyn only had 3 man of the match awards in his entire career. What a hack.

I don't think Bradman won a single one. Overrated

 

[GIMH]

that hundred he made with symonds at the G surely counts as being under pressure? Weren't we 4-20 or so?

mm we we were 5.80 following england making 160 in the first innings 4th Test: Australia v England at Melbourne, Dec 26-28, 2006 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

that scorecard really does suggest batting was not easy.

Yeah, it was a theme of that series really, we'd get in a decent position one way or another and then you'd overcome it and then some. I think Symonds got one of his umpire reprieves in that innings but it was certainly a pressure situation; shows you the folly of looking only at close matches and winning outcome to determine whether there was pressure.

See also; Ian Bell @ Lord's this summer, Trott & Broad @ Lord's 2010. Both matches ended as trouncings, the latter by an innings and yet we were in deep **** both times.

I don't think there's any other sport where the final analysis can often betray just how close things were, so often.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Hayden's scored just one century on English soil and underperformed during both his tours;

2001: 5 Tests - 234 runs at 33.53 - HS = 68

2005: 5 Tests - 318 runs at 35.33 - HS =138

So I think that his failure in 2005 was more to do with his lack of technique in English conditions rather than the English bowlers per se. That is, merely hitting through the line with static-footwork may be OK in Australia or India, but is rarely going to succeed in England.

I admire Hayden, but there's more than an element of truth in this.

Until the last match, he was a walking wicket in 05.

 

[sledger]

I don't think there's any other sport where the final analysis can often betray just how close things were, so often.

What about when Triple H beat the Rock in that Ironman match?

 

[Howe_zat]

I admire Hayden

Christ, these new English posters are terrible, can't even get the basics right

 

[sledger]

His cookery book isn't too bad, I hear.

 

[Furball]

TB - 11.1 This time Mr Dar gets it wrong. Big inside edge as Martyn drives. The ball then hits pad and the loud shout for lbw is upheld! Australia in deep trouble now
OT - 42.5 oh dear! thick inside edge onto the pad but umpire Bucknor upholds the lbw appeal - Martyn walks away shaking his head

The Slater commentary moment - 'I thought I heard two noises' - was almost certainly Old Trafford. IIRC it kickstarted England's momentum to the point where England almost won.

Worst decision was Katich's at Trent Bridge - given lbw to one that pitched miles outside leg.