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Chuckers

Daemon

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There are so many bowlers around international cricket today though where it is not a "marginal chuck", but looks disgusting to the naked eye because it's so bad. Not going to name names but all the countries have at least one except for Aus, NZ, RSA and England. How these guys are being allowed to bowl is beyond me.
Williamson, Nick Beard, Mills and until recently Botha for SA.

Can't think of anyone prominent from Bangladesh and Sri Lanka actually. Feel like I'm missing someone obvious though.
 
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Manee

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wtf.

Cameron Gannon, Kane Williamson, Johan Botha and I don't care enough about CC to name one but I'm sure there's one floating around.
Saw a video by Robelinda of Gannon and it looked awful but he looked absolutely sound in the Champions League T20 (I think that is when I saw him?) when I slowed down the side-on view. He looks like one of the cleanest actions now. The arm was totally straight from backfoot impact onwards.
 

Migara

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There are so many bowlers around international cricket today though where it is not a "marginal chuck", but looks disgusting to the naked eye because it's so bad. Not going to name names but all the countries have at least one except for Aus, NZ, RSA and England. How these guys are being allowed to bowl is beyond me..
The ones who look very bad certainly have reasons for it. Past trauma, elbow surgery or hyper extensibility are some of them. You cannot take "involuntary" extension of a joint as chucking. For guys like Shoaib, the movement was in a plane perpendicular to the plane of movement at elbow joint. I'd love to see a bowler with a pseudoarthroses below elbow hurling it in with an extension at pseudoarthoses and to see what is the reaction. It's more the ones with so called clean actions should be scrutinized, more of their effort balls. Since they are once in a while doesn't look god awful. But may be genuinely chucking it. So, check all during match situations, not only a selected few.
 

The Battlers Prince

International Vice-Captain
Gotten away with having his action tested and proven to be legal you mean?
Proven to be legal during the tests administered.

The ICC opened a can of worms when they changed the rule to stop umpires calling Murali. They didn't back the umpires that they had put there in the first place and now they and us are paying for it. If Murali's action was fine then it would hold up and they needn't have changed the rules. Proofs were made (whether you believe them or not) and yet the rule didn't revert to their original composition.
We now go down a different yet related rabbit hole with the DRS and again ICC are really screwing umpires over IMO
 

karan316

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I wonder why the benefits which batsmen get are never questioned, shorter grounds, flatter wickets, better bats(even boycott's Grandma can hit a six with these bats). There's no doubt that bowlers should have a clean action. But why are batsmen never in question??
Most people support Switch hit, some time back there was a double sided bat(which didn't get popularized, but I didn't see people going against it), the blade of the mongoose bat was as thick as Dwayne Leverock but it was still allowed... Free hit is the ****tiest law ever, I wouldn't even want it in EA 2007, forget about internationals, for a bowler its like making 1 mistake and getting punished twice..(you do a robbery and get charged for a murder)

And amidst all these, when there is a small kink in a bowlers action, people make huge noise about it
 
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OverratedSanity

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I wonder why the benefits which batsmen get are never questioned, shorter grounds, flatter wickets, better bats(even boycott's Grandma can hit a six with these bats). There's no doubt that bowlers should have a clean action. But why are batsmen never in question??
Most people support Switch hit, some time back there was a double sided bat(which didn't get popularized, but I didn't see people going against it), the blade of the mongoose bat was as thick as Dwayne Leverock but it was still allowed... Free hit is the ****tiest law ever, I wouldn't even want it in EA 2007, forget about internationals, for a bowler its like making 1 mistake and getting punished twice..(you do a robbery and get charged for a murder)

And amidst all these, when there is a small kink in a bowlers action, people make huge noise about it
Simple. Because better bats, smaller grounds, switch hits, etc are not illegal according to cricketing law. Chucking is cheating, having a better bat isn't.
 

hendrix

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Not possible to bowl a doosra without straightening the arm significantly anyway. The delivery should just be made illegal.
It is possible to bowl a doosra within the 15 degree allowance - which is something that most bowlers only just fit within with their regular action

Yep, while on field he is probably not using the same action, but a 30 degree bent arm lol
Well, if his action has been deemed to look different to what was tested he will be tested again. The umpires can make that call if they think it looks different.
 
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TheJediBrah

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Williamson, Nick Beard, Mills and until recently Botha for SA.

Can't think of anyone prominent from Bangladesh and Sri Lanka actually. Feel like I'm missing someone obvious though.
to be fair I don't really follow Bangladesh, obviously Murali is retired but one Sri Lankan I remember seeing in the Big Bash last year, Senenayake, had a shocking action.

Gotten away with having his action tested and proven to be legal you mean?
"Tested and proven legal" is very different from actually being a legal action during matches.

The ones who look very bad certainly have reasons for it. Past trauma, elbow surgery or hyper extensibility are some of them. You cannot take "involuntary" extension of a joint as chucking. For guys like Shoaib, the movement was in a plane perpendicular to the plane of movement at elbow joint. I'd love to see a bowler with a pseudoarthroses below elbow hurling it in with an extension at pseudoarthoses and to see what is the reaction. It's more the ones with so called clean actions should be scrutinized, more of their effort balls. Since they are once in a while doesn't look god awful. But may be genuinely chucking it. So, check all during match situations, not only a selected few.
Faster bowlers it tends to happen just as a matter of course, and even then you can barely notice it live. The major issue is with spinners. I know for me personally, that it really takes away from the enjoyment of the game when there is a bowler blatantly.

It is possible to bowl a doosra within the 15 degree allowance - which is something that most bowlers only just fit within with their regular action
Don't be fooled by the propaganda. I don't think it is. And if it is then 15 degrees is obviously way too much.

Well, if his action has been deemed to look different to what was tested he will be tested again. The umpires can make that call if they think it looks different.
Yes and that has always worked out so great in the past
 

TheJediBrah

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Ok, we'll just eliminate Glenn McGrath, Richard Hadlee, Brett Lee and plenty more from the bowling records...
Watch Glenn McGrath bowl, then watch Murali bowl. And try to tell me that they are bending their arm the same amount.

It's complete rubbish.
 

Maximas

Cricketer Of The Year
It's an illusion when Murali bowls, his arm won't straighten beyond 36 degrees,which allows him to bend to 51 and then straighten back to 36, so it looks like a chuck but it is within the rules
 

TheJediBrah

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yeah looks the same

Believing that the action of chuckers while being tested and on the field is the same is wilful ignorance. As is believing the propaganda that guys like Murali had similar bends than McGrath, which was put out there for the sole purpose of allowing Murali to keep playing to help the game of Cricket make money from the spectacle. The height of wilful ignorance.

And fast-bowlers like Shoaib and Brett Lee can give the illusion of bent-arm due to arm speed and resultant hyperextension. Not a factor with spinners who willingly throw the ball.

Personally I don't understand how people can keep buying that argument after all this time anyway. If you've watched chuckers bowl, either in real life or on tv, it's blatantly obvious.
 

TheJediBrah

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It's an illusion when Murali bowls, his arm won't straighten beyond 36 degrees,which allows him to bend to 51 and then straighten back to 36, so it looks like a chuck but it is within the rules
I agree he had a legal action (within the new rules that were changed specifically to suit him) while being tested. Because he didn't straighten his arm as much as in matches.
 

hendrix

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I think you don't understand the laws of the game.

Bent arm bowling is perfectly legal as long as the arm is not straightened.
 

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