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New Zealand A Tour of India and Sri Lanka
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hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
wtf. wtf. wtf.
What is his role in the team? I just don't get it. It's not even as if he's a Franklin where there was even a hint of a possibility of him being a test standard bowler or batsman. Ellis will categorically never be either.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Yes perhaps a couple of surprises though with Anderson injured and probably not wanting Milne to play two consecutive four-dayers, that resticts options. Ellis obviously a bit meh. Munro gets a chance to add to his scores of 1,4,1,2 this tour.
Can't remember who else is left out apart from Gillespie, who was given a lot of overs last match iirc. Still, he's someone that needs a lot of overs in order to bowl well.
Pleased Henry is clearly fit enough to play - hasn't played much of a role this tour.
Can't remember who else is left out apart from Gillespie, who was given a lot of overs last match iirc. Still, he's someone that needs a lot of overs in order to bowl well.
Pleased Henry is clearly fit enough to play - hasn't played much of a role this tour.
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Flem274*
123/5
unseen? ive been indulging on a diet of kippax videos and my own forays into the impossible web of poor site design that is the vault. ive seen them, and they are better than our spinners by far. i don't want to sound patronising but surely this isn't up for debate? because if it is im going to sit in the corner and cry a little.
nathan mccullum would be fortunate to average below 60 with the ball in test cricket. he's all yours.
i believe you should almost always play a test standard spinner if you have one, and if you don't then play your best four bowlers. Vettori is injured, so we don't have a test standard spinner. bartin might be so lets wait and see, but sodhi isn't. not right now at least and we don't need to waste our time and his sanity picking him when he averages 40 million in a comp full of batsmen who can't play spin. this is mitchell mcclenaghan circa 2008 all over again.
the subcontinental sides would love to see sodhi, jeets or tastle in the team ahead of a pace bowler. KW is in the team and has a bit of a golden arm, and was good enough to be used as a real bowler during his time with ND. he can bowl some overs if needed.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Just fits into Bradburn's trusty old ND playbook tbh. The 'oh it ain't pretty, but it's quite effective' small ball winning of a first-class match. Mathieson/Kuggs/Cody Andrews types get pushed on down the table to be someone else's problem for a while.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
@ Hendrix
Heh, I admit I hadn't looked carefully enough to realise Ellis was third seamer. Thrashing Gillespie a bit more would probably have been more productive unless he has a niggle.
Two spinners though, plus a part time spinner and three fourth seamers in Mitchell, Cachopa and Munro. Everyone gets a bowl bar Ronchi and Latham.
Heh, I admit I hadn't looked carefully enough to realise Ellis was third seamer. Thrashing Gillespie a bit more would probably have been more productive unless he has a niggle.
Two spinners though, plus a part time spinner and three fourth seamers in Mitchell, Cachopa and Munro. Everyone gets a bowl bar Ronchi and Latham.
Flem274*
123/5
looking at our team ellis is in there to provide balance while still allowing two spinners to play. he is essentially filling the role mchesson plucked anderson for in Bangladesh.
he's a 125kph chucker but he has been effective for canterbury. has a surprisingly nasty bouncer as well iirc. hopefully it continues at A level.
he's a 125kph chucker but he has been effective for canterbury. has a surprisingly nasty bouncer as well iirc. hopefully it continues at A level.
Mike5181
International Captain
As much as I ****ing hate Ellis as a player, I'm OK with that. There's no need to carelessly throw guys like Milne back into the action when they clearly aren't fit enough to get through two consecutive four-day games unscathed. His development means nothing if he's sitting at home with a long-term injury.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Nah completely DWTA. As someone who can move it both ways, Milne's the ideal case to craft an 80% mode like Steyn tbh. Which he would obvs be learning if he was English, and there was six figures there for the taking each year on the county scene. Instead he's got Gillespie in his ear, telling him he needs to be even more speed-orientated and imposing on a game apparently.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Milne's still only 21 and with his injury history I think the time for bowling masses of overs (English County Cricket style) and playing through niggles is not yet upon him.
Once he's 24 or so there is that argument that, even if still injury prone, it's just better to play rather than rest and that he'll become bowling-hardened as a result (there have been numerous articles written about this over the years). But that logic doesn't apply while he's still growing. So I have no problem with him being rested for this match.
Once he's 24 or so there is that argument that, even if still injury prone, it's just better to play rather than rest and that he'll become bowling-hardened as a result (there have been numerous articles written about this over the years). But that logic doesn't apply while he's still growing. So I have no problem with him being rested for this match.
Mike5181
International Captain
Exactly.
Flem274*
123/5
don't people stop growing in their late teens?
google says 18-19, but there are exceptions, especially if you're an athlete since lots of exercises stops plate thingies from fusing. pregnant people also stop growing sooner because their bodies go into adult mode and fuse the things.
so we need to get our fast bowlers pregnant.
google says 18-19, but there are exceptions, especially if you're an athlete since lots of exercises stops plate thingies from fusing. pregnant people also stop growing sooner because their bodies go into adult mode and fuse the things.
so we need to get our fast bowlers pregnant.
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Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Being told '150 or nothing' and breaking down six times a summer is doing him....what exactly. I can't quite figure that one out tbh.
Mike5181
International Captain
And that ruined my dinner.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
There's no need to bowl Milne into the ground in games that don't matter. Look at the lengths Australia have gone to in order to protect the long-term fitness of their young quicks; modern sports science definitely suggests that fast bowlers in their teens or early twenties should not be bowling quite as much as they are. Whether you agree with tactically resting players from legitimately competitive matches or not, managing their workload on A team tours is a no brainer.
Personally I question the wisdom of Ellis being the replacement more than I do of Milne being rested.
Personally I question the wisdom of Ellis being the replacement more than I do of Milne being rested.