*Official* Fourth Test at Chester-le-Street

[Maximas]

Because of his action, Swann is ten times the bowler when he goes around the wicket. This is a big part of why he's so much better to lefties but he's much better around the wicket to right handers as well. This means that either the footmarks aren't going to be a factor at all for him or - as we've seen throughout his career - they entice him into bowling over the wicket to get the most out of them for little to no overall gain in effectiveness, or even sometimes at an overall loss.

That said, Lyon bowls a little too straight to really take full advantage of footmarks either IMO but they definitely help him more than they help Swann. And that's before we even touch on the fact that the difference in spin the two bowlers get is greater off the normal part of the pitch than it is out of the footmarks; they negate the spin advantage.

Disagree, what about Headingley against NZ? Won the game bowling into Boult/Wagner's footmarks,

 

[benchmark00]

Came straight off the silicon.

 

[Spikey]

KP rightly treating the right arm off spinner

 

[benchmark00]

Camera didn't move to Short Leg, so you couldn't actually see the catch. Can't say I've ever noticed it being an issue before he made the point...

Has happened with every slips catch. Is ****ing annoying.

 

[NUFAN]

You see the ball come from the edge but you don't see if anyone's caught it, the camera doesn't move. You just have to wait for the celebration.

Ah okay. I haven't really noticed, but I'm sure you are right.

Things are so much better when KP comes to the crease.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Hahahaha Trott's been disgraceful at converting starts this series.

Watching too much Watson in last 3 ashes.

 

[Tangles]

Gonna be some fun with KP and Lyon. Better than watching the openers bore us to death.

 

[Spark]

Disagree, what about Headingley against NZ? Won the game bowling into Boult/Wagner's footmarks,

This is a really weird response to a post built entirely on a technical argument.

 

[dermo]

bring smitteh on imo golden arm

 

[Maximas]

This is a really weird response to a post built entirely on a technical argument.

Well I'm not hugely concerned about technical arguments when Swanny has actually gone and done what PEWS/Benchy say he isn't particularly good at doing, I honestly couldn't see Lyon doing anything like that.

EDIT: but yes, I suppose I didn't particularly respond to his points

 

[dermo]

Camera didn't move to Short Leg, so you couldn't actually see the catch. Can't say I've ever noticed it being an issue before he made the point...

yeah **** you m00phey now I'm going to notice it everytime

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Shot of the day. Lovely.

 

[91Jmay]

Anyone get the feeling KP doesn't rate Lyon at all?

 

[Spikey]

some proper mark waugh stuff this

 

[flibbertyjibber]

That wasn't.

 

[Spark]

Well I'm not hugely concerned about technical arguments when Swanny has actually gone and done what PEWS/Benchy say he isn't particularly good at doing, I honestly couldn't see Lyon doing anything like that.

EDIT: but yes, I suppose I didn't particularly respond to his points

So basically you're mounting a scoreboard argument.

 

[benchmark00]

Anyone get the feeling KP doesn't rate Lyon at all?

It's actually a case of him rating him and wanting to hit him out of the attack.

 

[Top_Cat]

Not understanding around the wicket for Lyon, why give him angle to work with?

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Anyone get the feeling KP doesn't rate Lyon at all?

Does anyone bar Burgey?

 

[91Jmay]

It's actually a case of him rating him and wanting to hit him out of the attack.

Yeah, no.