Jono
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That really is the worst bit about his posting, the assumption that Australia must be the best and if they're not then cricket is dead.
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*Official* First Test at Trent Bridge
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Burgey
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Think it's the part of his posting I enjoy most and is by far the most logical.
hendrix
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Prince EWS
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Yeah couldn't agree more.
vic_orthdox
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I did think that Clarke came across too much like a guy happy to have been part of a great test. Thought he spoke well, but just a little bit more emphasis on the fact that we lost a Test match and were far from sated wouldn't have gone astray.
However. On the same note I think that it would be a point stressed upon a lot internally.
However. On the same note I think that it would be a point stressed upon a lot internally.
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Furball
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Nah, it's the blaming Cricket Australia because blokes like Ferguson and Marsh are rubbish.
Backlash
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We don’t, but I think I have the right to question why Australian Cricket is in the current position it finds itself and to be pissed off about it given the sport is going to have to fight tooth and nail to survive in the 21st century as it is. It's going to be hard enough without this and a big reason Cricket is failing on all levels in Australia is because of Cricket Australia.
Those 18 years weren’t good for the Ashes. Just because England had a massive losing Ashes streak doesn’t mean I have to accept one from Australia. One and two series losses here and there are fine under some circumstance but what we are witnessing here is unacceptable. We are facing at least 4 or even 5 Ashes losses in a row here. This is a position Australian Cricket should not be in I'm sorry. I'm sorry for having some standards.
We’re about to lose 3 straight Ashes series since the first time since World Series Cricket and are looking down the barrel of 4 straight in less than 6 months. Something like that hasn’t happen since 1890! When we where still finding our feet as a nation.
This losing streak is unacceptable and just highlights how poorly Cricket has been run here for a very long time.
What really pisses me off is that Cricket Australia has helped improve the chances of this losing streak to continue too because of their greed. By agreeing to move the 2014/15 Ashes forward a year they have taken away a whole year for Australia to have a chance to improve as a team and improve their chances to retain the Ashes. Now we only have a blink of an eye to prepare and try and improve for the next series at home. A couple of months isn’t enough. Not only that they agreed to move the 2017 Ashes two years forward giving us even less time to improve for that away series. Australia needed this time like never before, but Cricket Australia took it away from us and then gave us one last middle finger by agreeing to link the World Cup and Ashes together in 2019. Something they said that they were trying to delink in 2015, well at least delink for England. I could almost deal with the other stuff, almost, but this was a massive "go **** yourself we don't really care" by Cricket Australia to Australian Cricket lovers like myself. This was the final straw for me.
Cricket Australia have sabotage our future Ashes chances along with the future of the game here. It’s almost impossible to get any enjoyment out of the game anymore knowing what these ****ing ****s have done. They are not fit to run this great game anymore.
We’ve never been this **** before and there is doubt we’ll be great again. The game is dying here with the youth of Australia. Kids are less interested in Cricket then they have ever been before. Every loss will turn more kids away to other sports. Honourable losses and consecutive Ashes losses aren’t good enough to help turn the tide I am afraid. Years of incompetent running has helped the decline of Cricket in Australia. We are running out of time to save the game. You won’t see the full affects of the decline of Australian Cricket until down the road.
Apparently I’m not. Don’t post what people don’t want to hear deep down. Keep the unbearable truths untold. Just pretend everything is rainbows and lollipops or else. Just shut up and enjoy watching your team lose and your sport in my country die off slowly.
My outlook on the game isn’t too far from the mark though most won’t accept it. You’re only saying the Ashes is alive and well because England won first up. If Australia go down 0-2 at Lords then watch most of the general interest here go away as people will turn all their focus towards the September finals. That’s not alive and well.
Why the hell would I celebrate losing? Once you are celebrating losses you have fully embraced mediocrity. After losing the last 3 out of 4 Ashes being content with losing is not good enough anymore. You may have gotten away with this in 2005 but not now.
I enjoy it when I know when the people who have been put into the responsibility to take charge of my team and my sport do their best to get the best out of if it and look after its best interests and when the sport is given the best possible chance to survive going into the future. None if which have been done.
The hard truth is that Cricket is dying in Australia on the path it is on. This would be hard enough for any good administration to combat let alone a bunch of inept wankers like Cricket Australia. Australian kids are turning away from Cricket. The sport is expensive to play, takes long hours to commit to while standing around in a field and sitting down doing nothing and most of the time you are barely involved. It is hard enough to market to kids nowadays as it is. What the national team has dished up over the last 5 years is hardly going to help this and I don't see how losing more of the most hyped up Cricket event here is going to turn the tide with Gen Y and future generations. But I guess I should be celebrating because one game was close and England won anyway.
If we lose this summer if will be the death knell for the future of Cricket in Australia. Too much damage would have been done then. That will be the time I completely give up on Cricket because it will be a lost cause then. Don't fool yourself, just because Cricket has been apart of Australia for the last 150 plus years don't automatically think this will always be the case going into the future. Things change over time and the way things are going Cricket's relevance in the Australian sporting landscape in going to be very different in a generation.
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Spark
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Spare us the Cassandra tripe. You have been repeatedly warn to stop posting exactly the same material without engaging the topic or actually attempting to do what every other poster in this place seems to find second nature which is actually discuss the cricket that is being played or the cricket that is about to be played. You never substantiate your allegations beyond the same repetitive megaphone blaring and it has become tiresome. You are becoming a seriously draining influence on forum atmosphere and my and the other mods' tolerance is at an absolute end.
This is your final warning. Shape up or you'll see the door - either voluntarily or enforced.
EDIT: This post is not an invitation to debate.
This is your final warning. Shape up or you'll see the door - either voluntarily or enforced.
EDIT: This post is not an invitation to debate.
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Furball
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tl;dr
Goughy
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Ha! Yeah. I don't agree with him but he is posting nothing but his opinion. Let the boy post. I want to see how many 'final staw' one person can have.
Spark
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He's entitled to his opinion. He's not entitled to post the same opinion in every thread whilst ignoring repeated moderator warnings and infractions. Anyway, let's not discuss that here.
Salamuddin
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Swann doesn't average under 30 with the ball against any of SouthAfrica, Australia or India - England's three main rivals in test cricket.You'd expect a bloke who
's rated as highly as him to have done a fair bit better than that.
Daemon
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I think he's laughing because morgieb insinuated Australia are a good batting side
morgieb
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When Swann last bowled against us we definitely were. Inconsistent yeah, but still good.
Biryani Pillow
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A few observations on the Test:
Although the side winning the toss had to bat first it turned out to be a good one to lose. About 17.30 on day one Mike Atherton observed "These are good bowling conditions" with Australia losing wickets and looking like they would lose more. Funny how the same observation wasn't made when England were batting and the conditions were, if anything, better for bowling.
Anderson's bowling on D2 in good batting conditions was as good as swing bowling gets. If the 3rd umpire hadn't made a shockingly poor call on the Agar stumping the game wouldn't have been close. Add the Trott error if you wish.
Bell played a truly superb innings - I bet it grated with many on here and I bet they'll still call for him to be dropped if he has a quiet game at Lords.
The furore about Broad is simply because the ball ended up at slip - via the keepers gloves. Batsmen at Test level don't walk. I tell you as a League umpire that few do there. And that is fine. Put it in the hands of the umpire but then don't complain if a mistake is made. And to liken it to falsely claiming a catch which you know to have been grassed is plain daft..
I think the Australian bowling is being 'bigged up' (maybe with some desperation) and certain areas of the England attack are being over assessed to much tougher criteria.
This pitch got much slower as the game went on so, with the exception of low bounces, the issues became more managable. This was particularly hard for Swann who was used as an attacking spinner when it looked difficult to work out the right pace to bowl at. Monty, who is best as a long spell 'wear them down' bowler would have been more suited to such a pitch, and as the summer goes on he might become more of a player of interest. The dying pitch also harmed Finn, who caused problems in the 1st knock when it had more pace. A lot of people seem to be knocking him for the 3 boundaries Haddin struck but Haddin took a risk and got. Could just as eaily have skied one.
I have been umpiring in Surrey, Kent, Middlesex and Essex quite a bit since mid April. Even then I was seeing rock hard pitches at some of the better schools and good Clubs. I asked some of the Groundsmen and they said that the top was hard after a cold, but slightly dry winter but a few inches beneath the surface there was moisture. If this came to the surface pitches would become pretty flat but if, as appears to have happened, it dissapates they would start to crumble. I have only seen one pitch that could possibly be called a 'road' but in the last two weeks I've seen some starting to crumble. With the weather set fair, and hot, for at least two weeks I suspect we'll see more of this.
I still think that, unless Australia hit back very quickly at Lords this will get very nasty for them.
Although the side winning the toss had to bat first it turned out to be a good one to lose. About 17.30 on day one Mike Atherton observed "These are good bowling conditions" with Australia losing wickets and looking like they would lose more. Funny how the same observation wasn't made when England were batting and the conditions were, if anything, better for bowling.
Anderson's bowling on D2 in good batting conditions was as good as swing bowling gets. If the 3rd umpire hadn't made a shockingly poor call on the Agar stumping the game wouldn't have been close. Add the Trott error if you wish.
Bell played a truly superb innings - I bet it grated with many on here and I bet they'll still call for him to be dropped if he has a quiet game at Lords.
The furore about Broad is simply because the ball ended up at slip - via the keepers gloves. Batsmen at Test level don't walk. I tell you as a League umpire that few do there. And that is fine. Put it in the hands of the umpire but then don't complain if a mistake is made. And to liken it to falsely claiming a catch which you know to have been grassed is plain daft..
I think the Australian bowling is being 'bigged up' (maybe with some desperation) and certain areas of the England attack are being over assessed to much tougher criteria.
This pitch got much slower as the game went on so, with the exception of low bounces, the issues became more managable. This was particularly hard for Swann who was used as an attacking spinner when it looked difficult to work out the right pace to bowl at. Monty, who is best as a long spell 'wear them down' bowler would have been more suited to such a pitch, and as the summer goes on he might become more of a player of interest. The dying pitch also harmed Finn, who caused problems in the 1st knock when it had more pace. A lot of people seem to be knocking him for the 3 boundaries Haddin struck but Haddin took a risk and got. Could just as eaily have skied one.
I have been umpiring in Surrey, Kent, Middlesex and Essex quite a bit since mid April. Even then I was seeing rock hard pitches at some of the better schools and good Clubs. I asked some of the Groundsmen and they said that the top was hard after a cold, but slightly dry winter but a few inches beneath the surface there was moisture. If this came to the surface pitches would become pretty flat but if, as appears to have happened, it dissapates they would start to crumble. I have only seen one pitch that could possibly be called a 'road' but in the last two weeks I've seen some starting to crumble. With the weather set fair, and hot, for at least two weeks I suspect we'll see more of this.
I still think that, unless Australia hit back very quickly at Lords this will get very nasty for them.
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