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*Official* First Test at Trent Bridge

King Pietersen

International Captain
I'm sure it's been said before but why have England dropped Compton and put Root up top when Bairstow's both much dodgier technically and has scored less runs?
Realised that it's not good for team image to have someone in the squad with the Twitter handle "TheCompDog".

Seriously though, Bairstow looking awful against Pattinson. Not convinced by him at all. Not had enough cricket, and you can tell. Root at 6, and Compton at the top looks a lot stronger to me. Not convinced by Root as a Test opener just yet.
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
1. 150 lead is one heck of a long way away for what's left of this English batting line-up. Especially with the new ball due soon.
Not really, it isn't. Bell, Bairstow, Prior, Swann...they shouldn't be in the side if you don't expect them to score 80 runs among themselves on more than a semi-decent wicket.
 

LongHopCassidy

International Captain
The theories of yours he quoted were basically flawed gambling theories. Clarke failing in the first innings doesn't increase his chance of scoring this innings, nor does Broad taking 7 for something silly against New Zealand earlier in the summer decrease his chances of doing something likewise here.
Except Clarke was dismissed by a ball that would be near-impossible to bowl in these conditions, and Broad's infrequency of match-winning performances means the law of averages aren't on his side.

Gambler's fallacy only applies if your judgment changes when the probability doesn't. The probabilities have changed.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
The theories of yours he quoted were basically flawed gambling theories. Clarke failing in the first innings doesn't increase his chance of scoring this innings, nor does Broad taking 7 for something silly against New Zealand earlier in the summer decrease his chances of doing something likewise here.
Got it. Thank you.

Not sure that I competely agree, athough we're coming at it slightly differently. I'm saying there's pretty long odds on Clarke failing in both innings, although I understand that doesn't in itself change the odds on him failing this time around. Ditto Broad producing two match winning performances in three tests.
 

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Except Clarke was dismissed by a ball that would be near-impossible to bowl in these conditions, and Broad's infrequency of match-winning performances means the law of averages aren't on his side.

Gambler's fallacy only applies if your judgment changes when the probability doesn't. The probabilities have changed.
How does Clarke getting 0 makes it more likely that he'll score runs in the second innings? Or Broad bowling well last week make it less likely that he'll bowl well this week? That's absurd.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Except Clarke was dismissed by a ball that would be near-impossible to bowl in these conditions, and Broad's infrequency of match-winning performances means the law of averages aren't on his side.

Gambler's fallacy only applies if your judgment changes when the probability doesn't. The probabilities have changed.
Law of averages isn't a real thing. On average Broad may only have one or two brilliant performances a season, but him using them up early doesn't decrease the chances of it happening later in the season.
 

Ruckus

International Captain
I really don't think it is that bad. Yeah sure he is not blessed with a natural commentators voice but he is not Ian Healey.
maybe its not his voice per se, he just talks too much or something. It's pretty intense out there, and it kind of ruins it. Probably a bit harsh though given he is no doubt excited with it being a new job etc.
 

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Got it. Thank you.

Not sure that I competely agree, athough we're coming at it slightly differently. I'm saying there's pretty long odds on Clarke failing in both innings, although I understand that doesn't in itself change the odds on him failing this time around. Ditto Broad producing two match winning performances in three tests.
To be technical, you're looking at unconditional probability when the conditional probability is correct. I.e. the probability of Clarke failing twice is low, but the probability of him failing twice given that he's already failed once is just as high as the probability of him failing once.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
How does Clarke getting 0 makes it more likely that he'll score runs in the second innings? Or Broad bowling well last week make it less likely that he'll bowl well this week? That's absurd.
Exactly. If there's any correlation at all it's more likely to be the other way around.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
Pattinson looking good here. Shame for Australia that lunch is just around the corner, Bairstow looking like he could get out any minute.
 

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