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Trott opening these days is he?
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Prince EWS
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Pretty sure he meant Siddle's figures rather than the score.
hendrix
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you mean like Dunedin and Neil Wagner?
MW1304
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Siddle seems to have become a source of derision again and I'm really not sure why. Above absolutely everything else just look at his record. It's as decent a record as any Australian fast bowler has had in recent times, considering he is now a fully established Test player with over 40 caps, who has played in many different countries with reasonable success across the board. Yes he's never going to be a sub-25 average bowler like Pattinson and Harris probably are but how many bowlers are? Remember an attack work as a team, they must complement each other and work together. Not only do I think Siddle merits selection off his own back but I think having him in the team will enhance the performance of Pattinson and Australia will see better overall team bowling performances with him around. He's essential to your chances IMO.
Adders
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You must have blotted the Adelaide 2010 test from your memory Bergmeister, but clearly everyone else here had the cricketing knowledge to pick up on the relevance of the figures.
Try and keep up old son.....I'd hate to have to dumb things down just for your benefit.
NUFAN
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Are you talking about the current world XI here? If so, fair enough.
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Nah no way are Starc and Bird ahead of him. And, tbh, I doubt anyone would be putting Harris ahead if he'd played consistently. Harris suffers from not playing too much due to injury but he also gets some benefits from guys not getting a long look at his stuff which is remarkably similar to Siddle.
Ruckus
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I agree Starc isn't, but what makes you say so unequivocally that Bird isn't? All there is to go off, other than his far superior FC record so far, is the two tests his played. And he out-bowled Siddle pretty comprehensively in both. You can't use a 'doesn't bowl quick enough argument' anymore either. Bird has lifted his game in that area, so much so he was bowling just as quick as Siddle (135-140ish) whose pace has dropped in the past 6 months.
I very much don't doubt too that if Harris played more he would be more successful that Siddle. He is just a better bowler. He has more control, gets swing/seam movement more consistently, is a far better new ball bowler and probably bowls quicker on average too. Don't buy players being able to 'work him out' either. He ain't no mystery.
Maximas
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Siddle goes the journey, not just about pace and accuracy and all those things we talk about in fast bowlers, it's about the second innings of a pressure match where Siddle is still charging in giving it his absolute all, and somehow he is still taking wickets when other bowlers aren't. Siddle doesn't sound like much compared to the rest of our pace battery, but he brings something to the able that other bowlers don't IMO.
Flem274*
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Starc is not better than Siddle. He has bucketloads of ability but as a bowler right now he is terrible. All Siddle needs to be better than Starc is not bowl three half volleys or long hops every over.
Bird has been on the international scene for two and a half seconds. We haven't seen enough to get a good gauge.
Harris is better but can't put together two series in a row so it's irrelevant.
Bird has been on the international scene for two and a half seconds. We haven't seen enough to get a good gauge.
Harris is better but can't put together two series in a row so it's irrelevant.
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See, here's the problem; you're looking to judge the better quick like it's a game of ICC, who bowls the bigger outie, faster, etc. So much more to the profession and who should be selected than that. Bird has potential but there's a lot to be said for a bloke who takes 150-odd Test wicket and averages < 30 when everyone's had a good look at him and knows exactly how he operates. He's no genius but neither is Bird, their methods are very similar. So what if he outbowled Siddle for a couple of Tests; Siddle's been doing it for years now. That alone deserves respect at the selection table.
You can't put Bird above Siddle because of two Tests. He bowled well, no doubt, but he's far less accomplished than Siddle at the moment. And, as I said before, the younger blokes can come in and throw everything at the oppo because they have the reliable **** at the other end. Siddle's plenty quick enough and if he had someone reliable at the other end, he'd arc up. But it's clearly not his role.
You can't put Bird above Siddle because of two Tests. He bowled well, no doubt, but he's far less accomplished than Siddle at the moment. And, as I said before, the younger blokes can come in and throw everything at the oppo because they have the reliable **** at the other end. Siddle's plenty quick enough and if he had someone reliable at the other end, he'd arc up. But it's clearly not his role.
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