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CW All Time Country XI Discussion Thread
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watson
Banned
OK then, which is the stronger 'middle-order'?
03. Don Bradman
04. Greg Chappell
05. Allan Border
06. Keith Miller
OR
03. George Headley
04. Brian Lara
05. Viv Richards
06. Gary Sobers
On the other-hand we could also use the category of 'Top-Order' and also ask which is the stronger?
01. Arthur Morris
02. Victor Trumper
03. Don Bradman
OR
01. Gordon Greenidge
02. Conrad Hunte
03. George Headley
We could then have;
04. Greg Chappell
05. Allan Border
06. Keith Miller
OR
04. Brian Lara
05. Viv Richards
06. Garry Sobers
But to be honest, I think that an English 'Top-Order' and a West Indian 'Middle-Order' gives the strongest Combination overall;
01. Jack Hobbs
02. Len Hutton
03. Walter Hammond
04. Brian Lara
05. Viv Richards
06. Garry Sobers
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watson
Banned
I think that the more countries represented the merrier; and therefore suggest the following make-up as the strongest;
a. English Top-Order
b. West Indian Middle-Order
c. South African Keeper
d. Australian Quicks
e. Sri Lankan Spinner
Which gives;
01. Jack Hobbs
02. Len Hutton
03. Walter Hammond
04. Brian Lara
05. Viv Richards
06. Garry Sobers
07. John Waite
08. Ray Lindwall
09. Dennis Lillee
10. Murali
11. Glenn McGrath
Hobbs and Hutton are significantly stronger than Morris and Trumper, and Lara-Richards-Sobers cannot be ignored. I think that there is enough compensation in those 5 batsman for the absence of Bradman. Plus Hammond was no fool with the bat + ball and is worth a place.
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watson
Banned
Still prefer Lillee-McGrath-Lindwall over Donald-Procter-Steyn
Coronis
International Coach
Pretty damn good team.
Think Gilly offers so much more than Waite. Plus, Proctor and Steyn are right up there, for me at least, amongst top fast bowlers. Proctor adds quite a bit with the batting depth too.
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watson
Banned
Waite kept 'flawlessly' to Adcock, Heine, and Tayfield and is at least Gilchrist's equal behind the stumps. Possibly more so. He was also good enough with the bat to score centuries against Tyson, Bedser and Lock in Manchester, and also against Davidson, Kline, and Benaud in Durban.
Waite also enables the inclusion of Lillee-McGrath-Lindwall who are the players most likely to win a Test match IMO.
kyear2
International Coach
No Problem
Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
George Headley
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Garry Sobers
Adam Gilchrist
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
Michael Holding
No way Bradman, Chappell, Border, Miller is a better unit than Headley, Richards, Lara, Sobers. The W.I lineup has four of the top seven batsmen of All Time IMHO, better as a unit overall. Was separating them as Benaud when he was selecting his team had them separated as openers, no. 3, middle order and all rounder. But this was is fine as well.
kyear2
International Coach
This one isn't bad at all. Better cordon than mine as well. Still prefer Headley as a No. 3 over Hammond though.
kyear2
International Coach
No one is twice the batsman Lara is, but you are entitled to you opnion. Also it's more of a direct comparrison btwn Bradman and Headley, and he wasn't twice the batsman George was either.
As far as the fast bowlers go, nothing really to choose between Marshall and Ambrose and Mcgrath and Lillee, I rate them Marshall, McGrath, Ambrose and Lillee as my top four over all, so perhaps a sligh edge for the Windies, but Holding is for me clearly superior to Miller and has a slight edge over Lindwall if that option is preferred. Don't quite understand the variety comment.
Slifer
International Captain
I think he confused overall bowling attack with fast bowling attack, in which case WI has a distinct advantage. U have the swing bowler can bowl nething ne where best of the best MM, then the metronome can take it to another level and nasty at times Ambrose. The super fast, super smooth quite effective on the deadest of wickets Michael Holding and last but certainly not least the highly underrated watch ur toes, most difficult to hit Joel Garner.
Coronis
International Coach
Davidson should definitely be in there imo. Always seems to be underrated in these types of discussions though.
kyear2
International Coach
But the team selected has Miller as the third quick, so the contest of the best pace attack for this exercise would be between
Marshall, Ambrose, Holding
McGrath, Lillee, Miller
Imran, Akram, Waqar
Steyn, Donald, Proctor
Trueman, Larwood, Barnes
Even if Davidson replaces Miller, I personally still rate Holding over him. Holding in the '70's was basically the equal of Lillee and also proved himself on the deadest pitches in India and then there was his performance at the oval. He was quite simply brilliant.
Marshall, Ambrose, Holding
McGrath, Lillee, Miller
Imran, Akram, Waqar
Steyn, Donald, Proctor
Trueman, Larwood, Barnes
Even if Davidson replaces Miller, I personally still rate Holding over him. Holding in the '70's was basically the equal of Lillee and also proved himself on the deadest pitches in India and then there was his performance at the oval. He was quite simply brilliant.
kyear2
International Coach
As I have been saying of late, Australia would be better served with this squad, a final XI of
Trumper
Morris
Bradman
Chappell
Ponting
Border
Gilchrist
Davidson
Warne
Lillee
McGrath
Don't see the need for the two spinners, while at the same time weakening the batting order.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Nope. You've already picked Sobers as the all-rounder at no.6 so his batting superiority over Miller or anyone else is utterly irrelevant to the selection of the 3-4-5 middle-order block. The actual comparison is Bradman-Chappell-Border vs Headley-Richards-Lara.