**Official** Group A Discussion

[hendrix]

they cannot let Voges get away with this crap though.

 

[kingpin]

well played now accelerate FFS!!

 

[superkingdave]

Well I said 130-3 after 30, we be less wickets down but it looks like we won't even get to 130 in that time. Diabolical

 

[kingpin]

Am I obsessed with T20 batting??

 

[Maximas]

Voges is throwing it up with zero overspin, this **** should be disappearing.

 

[Furball]

I hate watching England bat in ODi's. Watching the likes of India, they score at 6 an over throughout the innings, and make it look easy. Look at the knock Shikhar Dhawan played the other day, got to his hundred off 80 balls and did it without breaking a sweat. For England, it seems it's either trundle along at 4-4.5, or try and slog and lose wickets. There's no middle ground without Pietersen. Incredibly frustrating, we'll never win this tournament as a 270 maximum team, we just can't compete with the big scoring sides.

They scored at 6 an over because South Africa bowled pies. They also chucked away a brilliant position, they should have scored far more than 331.

You can't just smash the bowling for whatever you want for 50 overs ffs.

 

[superkingdave]

They scored at 6 an over because South Africa bowled pies. They also chucked away a brilliant position, they should have scored far more than 331.

You can't just smash the bowling for whatever you want for 50 overs ffs.

You can try not patting loopy full tosses off part time spinners to the fielder though

 

[Spark]

They scored at 6 an over because South Africa bowled pies. They also chucked away a brilliant position, they should have scored far more than 331.

You can't just smash the bowling for whatever you want for 50 overs ffs.

you can, however, usually smash full tosses for whatever you want

 

[kingpin]

at least the commentary is not boring!!

 

[Maximas]

so many turning pitches in international matches so far this summer, is England really going to try and spin Australia out in the ashes?

 

[The_roc]

Move over Shane Warne, Adam Voges is here

3 overs, 8 dot balls, no boundries.

 

[kingpin]

so many turning pitches in international matches so far this summer, is England really going to try and spin Australia out in the ashes?

Location : Junaid Khan

 

[Spikey]

australians talk about hales cause of that one big bash knock

 

[Furball]

you can, however, usually smash full tosses for whatever you want

Yes, agreed. But all this moaning about what England are doing is ridiculous.

 

[wpdavid]

They scored at 6 an over because South Africa bowled pies. They also chucked away a brilliant position, they should have scored far more than 331.

You can't just smash the bowling for whatever you want for 50 overs ffs.

No, but you can score at more than 4.5 an over against this bowling if you're minded to do so. Good sides don't plod along against moderate bowlers on a decent batting track and expect their number 7 to hit 50 in the last 5 overs to make the total competitive.

Watching these two you do sometimes wonder if their main aim is to do enough to stay in the side.

 

[Furball]

so many turning pitches in international matches so far this summer, is England really going to try and spin Australia out in the ashes?

England's always been pretty spin friendly.

 

[social]

so many turning pitches in international matches so far this summer, is England really going to try and spin Australia out in the ashes?

Kapil Dev was commentating on radio yesterday and said that he had never seen so many bone dry squares on international grounds in England at this stage of the year

Seems remarkable given the weather

 

[Spark]

Yes, agreed. But all this moaning about what England are doing is ridiculous.

depends what you reckon is a par score. if it's 300, they're going too slowly for sure.

 

[King Pietersen]

They scored at 6 an over because South Africa bowled pies. They also chucked away a brilliant position, they should have scored far more than 331.

You can't just smash the bowling for whatever you want for 50 overs ffs.

Obviously you can't, but we continue to show a complete lack of intent at the top of the order. We let average bowlers just bowl, and milk them for 3 or 4 an over. We never go after bad bowling, so captains can get 3 or 4 overs from a part-timer that really should have been spanked. There is no way Adam Voges should be allowed to bowl 3 overs for 13. If one of the Indian top order was 50+* and Adam Voges came into the attack, he'd get smashed. It's just not good enough, and we rely far too much on the last 10 being big overs. What happens when someone like Lasith Malinga's bowling at the death, and nips a few out? We'll end up only getting 230. I'm not expecting them to go at 8 an over, but 5.5/6 would be nice, and should be the norm against this sort of bowling.

They're not doing that badly, I just want to see some intent, and so far, there's been none of that.

 

[Furball]

No, but you can score at more than 4.5 an over against this bowling if you're minded to do so. Good sides don't plod along against moderate bowlers on a decent batting track and expect their number 7 to hit 50 in the last 5 overs to make the total competitive.

Watching these two you do sometimes wonder if their main aim is to do enough to stay in the side.

We're just over halfway through the innings, 50 overs is a lot of cricket.

It's ridiculous that people want to point to India the other day as an example of what England should be doing when they were pathetic for the final 15 overs.