***Official*** New Zealand in England series 2013

[Hurricane]

@Flem - Baz tried to be Sehwag for a while with mixed success. I think Viru was an exception to the rule and you can't expect many peeps to be able to bat like that.

Guptil deserves to succeed in tests - just reckon his defensive game needs some work rather than his attacking mindset.

 

[Hurricane]

He's also the captain who has to talk to these guys so I think he has one reason why we suck nailed.

I have some time on my hands so I will respond in depth to the article in that thread.

 

[MW1304]

What was our kit last time we lost a home ODI series?

Way to tempt fate ****s.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Wooooo yeah. ODIs are the only true form of cricket. /face

 

[RxGM]

More seriously, I think he thinks almost too much about his defensive technique in the whites and it has led to him shelving most of his shots. He is trying to be the "proper", John Wright-esque opener everyone keeps demanding him to be but he has been putting the cart before the horse for years and now he appears a hesitant wreck at the crease in test cricket. He would benefit from developing an impregnable forward defense, flexing his front knee more, looking for singles and bringing back his scoring options. He put away the back foot shots a few years ago because he couldn't control them but he plays a lovely controlled pull these days and batsmen with defensive techniques which are works in progress need plenty of scoring options.

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Watching his two centuries IMO it looks that guptill has already changed his technique since he had the thumb operation, he is not playing the straight drive nearly as much, instead he is working the ball more through mid wicket more, which has lead to an improvement in his ability to get ones and twos, and not get bogged down which has often been his unraveling in both forms of the game.

 

[hendrix]

It's not just Guptill's defensive technique that's shoddy.

It's his complete inability to read length.

You can't just drive through the line to good length deliveries to bowlers who are taller than 6 foot, bowl faster than 130kp/h, and get the slightest hint of movement in either direction.

You have to play the ball later.

Guptill has never shown that ability. He's always playing out in front of himself.

He will never be test quality if he continues to do this.

It has nothing to do with aggression or anything like that. I know Sehwag's eyes and hands are championed as the reason's for his success, but he also had a pretty decent technique - he modeled himself on Tendulkar FFS.

 

[RxGM]

I though he was higher around the 84mph mark at times.

 

[Hurricane]

I though he was higher around the 84mph mark at times.

mitch? ok thanks for that was wondering.

 

[thierry henry]

What were Mitch's speeds was TH correct that they were around 78 mph again?

low 80s mixed with some high 70s, look at his last 2 wickets, 77 and 78.

 

[thierry henry]

Before the op Bres was barely over 80 at best/top speed so he has some pace back. He was never an 88mph guy anyway apart from the odd delivery which I always thought the gun may have got wrong anyway. He looks better than before the op anyway.

Funnily enough Dernbach, Woakes and Bresnan were all much the same speed. Dernbach perhaps a shade more consistent with the 85mph+ stuff, but all 3 were maxing out at 86-87.

Lack of pace is definitely not Woakes' problem. Just not that good.

 

[Jono]

I know Sehwag's eyes and hands are championed as the reason's for his success, but he also had a pretty decent technique - he modeled himself on Tendulkar FFS.

Haha its one of the best forgotten facts. Back in 2002 Sehwag was known as the "clone" of Tendulkar. They are seen as polar opposites now, quite funny.

Probably a testament to Sehwag that he jumped out of Tendulkar's shadow and made his own reputation in the game.

 

[Hurricane]

low 80s mixed with some high 70s, look at his last 2 wickets, 77 and 78.

That's faster than last time - he was high 70s mixed in with some low 80s if that makes sense.

 

[thierry henry]

That's faster than last time - he was high 70s mixed in with some low 80s if that makes sense.

Either way, the guy we picked because he is fast has spent most of his international career being on the verge of too slow.

Oh well, he's still going ok.

 

[Hurricane]

I have read the whole Trott debate. i think both sides of the argument had valid points. However, once Trott realised that no one else was going to do the job he had to push for the win himself and if he finished up with a SR of 100 and faced 100 balls then perhaps he didn't do this enough.

 

[Hurricane]

Either way, the guy we picked because he is fast has spent most of his international career being on the verge of too slow.

Oh well, he's still going ok.

yet no one is disrepecting his speed like peeps do with franko.

 

[Dan]

yet no one is disrepecting his speed like peeps do with franko.

Probably because he's going ok. If he wasn't performing and didn't hit 80mph, then there might be criticism of his speed.

Franklin must be so frustrating for NZ supporters - looks like he could be class (well, he was class pre-injury), but keeps bowling **** balls at 75mph to complement the odd brilliant delivery.

 

[Hurricane]

Probably because he's going ok. If he wasn't performing and didn't hit 80mph, then there might be criticism of his speed.

Franklin must be so frustrating for NZ supporters - looks like he could be class (well, he was class pre-injury), but keeps bowling **** balls at 75mph to complement the odd brilliant delivery.

I think I meant batsman on the opposition team;'s dissing him not fans. Peeps are basically running down the wicket and slogging franko. Or at least they were in the 1st game.

 

[Flem274*]

Probably because he's going ok. If he wasn't performing and didn't hit 80mph, then there might be criticism of his speed.

Franklin must be so frustrating for NZ supporters - looks like he could be class (well, he was class pre-injury), but keeps bowling **** balls at 75mph to complement the odd brilliant delivery.

I think most have given up and accepted he will always be a terrible part timer post injury and a prank batsman.

He could have been Chris Cairns but due to knee injuries, poor batting technique and a tendency to drop his head his talent will never be realised.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

I have read the whole Trott debate. i think both sides of the argument had valid points. However, once Trott realised that no one else was going to do the job he had to push for the win himself and if he finished up with a SR of 100 and faced 100 balls then perhaps he didn't do this enough.

Have to agree with this. When you're batting with a stroke maker then you can use the anchor excuse but towards the end he was just putting all the pressure on the other batsman to slog from ball one. The established bat needs to take the reigns.

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

Trotts fault again I see. What a surprise. Blame 360 on the guy who got a 100 at over a run a ball. Gtfo