Prince EWS
Global Moderator
He's been sending down some pies for Gloucestershire this season I believe.
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New Zealand doom and gloom thread
- Thread starter Bahnz
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straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Just choose miraculous injury-free Corey Anderson for the same role imoI have decided to be a dickhead, take what you said in your post to the nth degree and pick Stokes.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Wait wait wait wait, I've got it. If we can make Franklin injury-free, does that mean he'll be able to bowl properly again???
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Well he uses his feet which puts him a step ahead of Brownlie and Guptill automatically. He's a bit impetuous though. Pretty similar to Haddin v spin technically, loves going straight.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Actually, how about they request Dukes for certain series, Davis Cup-style. Or is the batting so bad that we can't.
draw - won 1st v Sri Lanka Napier 4 Apr 2005 Test # 1746
won inns & 38 runs won 2nd v Sri Lanka Wellington 11 Apr 2005 Test # 1748
won 27 runs lost 1st v West Indies Auckland 9 Mar 2006 Test # 1787
won 10 wickets lost 2nd v West Indies Wellington 17 Mar 2006 Test # 1790
draw - won 2nd v West Indies Napier 25 Mar 2006 Test # 1793
won 5 wickets lost 2nd v Sri Lanka Christchurch 7 Dec 2006 Test # 1820
lost 217 runs lost 2nd v Sri Lanka Wellington 15 Dec 2006 Test # 1822
won 9 wickets won 2nd v Bangladesh Dunedin 4 Jan 2008 Test # 1859
won inns & 137 runs won 2nd v Bangladesh Wellington 12 Jan 2008 Test # 1861
won 189 runs won 1st v England Hamilton 5 Mar 2008 Test # 1866
lost 126 runs won 2nd v England Wellington 13 Mar 2008 Test # 1867
lost 121 runs lost 2nd v England Napier 22 Mar 2008 Test # 1868
draw - won 1st v West Indies Dunedin 11 Dec 2008 Test # 1897
draw - lost 2nd v West Indies Napier 19 Dec 2008 Test # 1900
lost 10 wickets lost 1st v India Hamilton 18 Mar 2009 Test # 1915
draw - won 1st v India Napier 26 Mar 2009 Test # 1917
draw - won 2nd v India Wellington 3 Apr 2009 Test # 1918
won 32 runs lost 1st v Pakistan Dunedin 24 Nov 2009 Test # 1934
lost 141 runs won 2nd v Pakistan Wellington 3 Dec 2009 Test # 1938
draw - lost 2nd v Pakistan Napier 11 Dec 2009 Test # 1940
won 121 runs lost 1st v Bangladesh Hamilton 15 Feb 2010 Test # 1953
lost 10 wickets lost 2nd v Australia Wellington 19 Mar 2010 Test # 1955
lost 176 runs lost 2nd v Australia Hamilton 27 Mar 2010 Test # 1957
lost 10 wickets lost 1st v Pakistan Hamilton 7 Jan 2011 Test # 1990
draw - won 1st v Pakistan Wellington 15 Jan 2011 Test # 1991
won inns & 301 runs lost 1st v Zimbabwe Napier 26 Jan 2012 Test # 2033
draw - won 2nd v South Africa Dunedin 7 Mar 2012 Test # 2035
lost 9 wickets lost 1st v South Africa Hamilton 15 Mar 2012 Test # 2036
draw - won 2nd v South Africa Wellington 23 Mar 2012 Test # 2037
draw - won 2nd v England Dunedin 6 Mar 2013 Test # 2077
draw - won 2nd v England Wellington 14 Mar 2013 Test # 2080
draw - lost 1st v England Auckland 22 Mar 2013 Test # 2084
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Flem274*
123/5
If we want to introduce new players we should start at the beginning of next season in Bangladesh imo so we can get a good look at them over an entire season.
Obviously Southee and Boult have been excellent this summer but Wagner has surprised me as well. I still think Wheeler is the second best left arm paceman in the country but Wagner has been respectable.
I'd be very tempted to introduce Adam Milne to the side before he gets too comfortable bullying domestic batsmen with sheer pace. Now he can bowl outswingers at 150kph he has the highest ceiling of any bowler in the country imo. Every time he's played in the whites for Central he's been quality so I think very soon the Shield will run out of lessons to teach him.
I'm pretty disappointed Henry hasn't made at least the Champions Trophy squad.
I'd stick with Rutherford/Fulton now. They're considerably better than any other possible opening combination we can name, and despite last night both are very good at flat track bullying.
Batting stocks are low, so it boils down to KISS selection - runs plus technique
IMO the only batsmen proven to have test standard techniques against all bowling are
Williamson
Watling
Taylor
Then there is a big gap. I don't actually think Ryder will be a saving grace either. Brownlie is a significantly better batsman than the Ryder of last summer and he is better against fast bowling in general. Ryder has always preferred to murder spinners down at number five. He would not have enjoyed Lords at all, even if he was batting properly.
We basically need the technicians in the Plunket Shield like Will Young to show they can also score huge runs next season. A bit of new blood in general would also be good because part of the problem is many batsmen in domestic cricket are not going to be test batsmen and everyone knows it. I do accept though that in many cases the batting line ups that got repeatedly destroyed by the bowlers last summer are the best many of those teams could put together.
I didn't mean to write an essay on this since it's all pretty obvious. One final note though is we need that A tour and we need it bad. We also need to make intelligent selections.
Obviously Southee and Boult have been excellent this summer but Wagner has surprised me as well. I still think Wheeler is the second best left arm paceman in the country but Wagner has been respectable.
I'd be very tempted to introduce Adam Milne to the side before he gets too comfortable bullying domestic batsmen with sheer pace. Now he can bowl outswingers at 150kph he has the highest ceiling of any bowler in the country imo. Every time he's played in the whites for Central he's been quality so I think very soon the Shield will run out of lessons to teach him.
I'm pretty disappointed Henry hasn't made at least the Champions Trophy squad.
I'd stick with Rutherford/Fulton now. They're considerably better than any other possible opening combination we can name, and despite last night both are very good at flat track bullying.
Batting stocks are low, so it boils down to KISS selection - runs plus technique
IMO the only batsmen proven to have test standard techniques against all bowling are
Williamson
Watling
Taylor
Then there is a big gap. I don't actually think Ryder will be a saving grace either. Brownlie is a significantly better batsman than the Ryder of last summer and he is better against fast bowling in general. Ryder has always preferred to murder spinners down at number five. He would not have enjoyed Lords at all, even if he was batting properly.
We basically need the technicians in the Plunket Shield like Will Young to show they can also score huge runs next season. A bit of new blood in general would also be good because part of the problem is many batsmen in domestic cricket are not going to be test batsmen and everyone knows it. I do accept though that in many cases the batting line ups that got repeatedly destroyed by the bowlers last summer are the best many of those teams could put together.
I didn't mean to write an essay on this since it's all pretty obvious. One final note though is we need that A tour and we need it bad. We also need to make intelligent selections.
Flem274*
123/5
James Fuller has the most skewed talent:results ratio of any kiwi I've seen.
Mike5181
International Captain
Actually yeah I remember watching a bit of his innings against ND. Even if it is against the inexperienced Sodhi, he's clearly a level or two above the guys you mentioned.
Luke Ronchi vs. Southee / Sodhi / ND - YouTube
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Team for NZA?
Raval, Redmond, Papps, Broom, Young, Anderson, Ronchi, Nethula, Milne, Wheeler, Arnel
With Sodhi, Crachopa, Latham and Butler going along as well?
Mike5181
International Captain
Sodhi for Nethula, Henry for Arnel. Wouldn't totally be against Mitch either.
Flem274*
123/5
Raval
Latham
Craigchopa
Broom
Young
Mitchell
Ronchi
Sodhi
Henry
Wheeler
Milne
Johnston
Bartlett
Anderson
Carlchopa/Boam/I forget what happened last summer
We know what Papps, Redmond, Butler etc provide so I wouldn't pick them. I realise you're being realistic with your selection and I'm not though.
edit: I'm not a big fan of Latham opening either but I want him on that tour and that's where a gap is
put flynn in there too somewhere
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
I understand the compulsion to go for youth, but it's an NZA side, not an emerging players XI. Nethula comfortably outbowled Sodhi last season, and it's hardly as though his career is about to wrap up.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
Haha, can't kill that kiwi optimism [/ruggedbattlers]
Mike5181
International Captain
I don't see any point in sending guys like Arnel over if we already know they aren't and never will be test standard. It's a waste of money, and more importantly it's a waste of an opportunity for younger guys who will be playing tests in the future. The whole team shouldn't be filled up with players with records like Sodhi/Mitch, but if we see enough talent there it's more beneficial to develop those players as best as we possibly can rather than throwing proven failures in their mid-30s in the team because they're slightly better atm.
1. Jeet Raval
2. Tom Latham
3. Craig Cachopa
4. Neil Broom
5. Jesse Ryder (should be begging him to make the trip)
6. Daryl Mitchell
7. Luke Ronchi+
8. Ish Sodhi
9. Matt Henry
10. Adam Milne
11. Ben Wheeler