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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Coronis
International Coach
Tried an ATG XI where everyone but the openers and Bradman was an all rounder... came up with this
1. Sutcliffe
2. Hobbs
3. Bradman*
4. Kallis
5. Sobers
6. Miller
7. Gilchrist+
8. Faulkner
9. Procter
10. Imran
11. Hadlee
I think that team would be a challenge to beat.
1. Sutcliffe
2. Hobbs
3. Bradman*
4. Kallis
5. Sobers
6. Miller
7. Gilchrist+
8. Faulkner
9. Procter
10. Imran
11. Hadlee
I think that team would be a challenge to beat.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Did you decide Hammond didn't quite qualify or did you just decide you'd rather have Kallis, Sobers and Miller?
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Just an All Rounders XI could be monumentally difficult to beat
W G Grace
Charlie Macartney/ Eddie Barlow/ Trevor Goddard
Wally Hammond
Garry Sobers
Jacques Kallis
Aubrey Faulkner/ Keith Miller/ Ian Botham/ Tony Greig
Adam Gilchrist (w)
Imran Khan
Mike Procter/ Alan Davidson
Richie Benaud
Richard Hadlee
bagapath
International Captain
South africa AT XI
G. Smith
H. Amla
G.A. Pollock
J.H. Kallis
A.B. De Villiers
G. A. Faulkner
Mark Boucher +
S.M. Pollock
H.J. Tayfield
Dale Steyn
A.A. Donald
ATG pace attack with Donald and Steyn taking the new ball and Shaun Pollock at first change. Tayfield could very well be the best off spinner of all time. Faulkner will bowl his wrist spin to complete the bowling attack. Kallis is always there if any of these guys needs a break.
The top 5 batters are pure gold. At 6,7 and 8 we have solid late order batting from an allrounder, a batsman-keeper, and a bowling all-rounder.
Kallis and Smith are excellent slip catchers. De Villiers is unmatched in the outfield.
This is a good, solid team
G. Smith
H. Amla
G.A. Pollock
J.H. Kallis
A.B. De Villiers
G. A. Faulkner
Mark Boucher +
S.M. Pollock
H.J. Tayfield
Dale Steyn
A.A. Donald
ATG pace attack with Donald and Steyn taking the new ball and Shaun Pollock at first change. Tayfield could very well be the best off spinner of all time. Faulkner will bowl his wrist spin to complete the bowling attack. Kallis is always there if any of these guys needs a break.
The top 5 batters are pure gold. At 6,7 and 8 we have solid late order batting from an allrounder, a batsman-keeper, and a bowling all-rounder.
Kallis and Smith are excellent slip catchers. De Villiers is unmatched in the outfield.
This is a good, solid team
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Coronis
International Coach
Seeing as he took less than a wicket per match, didn't include him. If I had him in the team, he wouldn't really be someone I planned on using (as a bowler) in a Test.
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Good team. Leaving out Barry your way of tilting at the windmills?
Barry | Smith | Kallis | Pollock | Nourse | Taylor | Lindsay/Waite | Procter | Tayfield | Steyn | Donald
Howe_zat
Audio File
The main reason he took relatively few wickets per match was because he bowled progressively less as he got older, understandably for someone who got through so much batting, and most of Hammond's contemporaries describe him as a talented and surprisingly quick seam bowler.
On occasions where he did play as an allrounder he was generally pretty effective. On a tour of South Africa in his younger days he took 27 wickets at 23. He could take the lead as well in FC matches - he once took 9-23 against Worcester, and on the Bodyline tour he took 6-43 in a game against NSW, including Bradman. Wisden describes his bowling in the second Test at Melbourne as "excellent", outshining the formidable pace attack England were playing.
More to the point, the idea of "additional" bowlers is to try and unsettle the batsmen, and so even as a support option Hammond's pace provides something a bit extra over the norm.
I don't think he matches up to Kallis as a bowler - the fact that Kallis has kept up his bowling for so long provides a fair contrast to Hammond not being really able to do so - but the man could seriously bowl.
the big bambino
International Captain
Hammond was good bowler as his contemporaries confirm. David foots book also makes it clear that he didn't much like bowling, particularly as he got older. A wonderful adjunct to his game and comparable to Kallis in skill though the SA all rounder definitely values his bowling more than Wally apparently did and wins on longevity.
kyear2
International Coach
Headley?
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Long career in terms of years played, I guess. Sylvester Clarke and Peter Pollock missing, no?
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bagapath
International Captain
i think headley and oreilly had full careers.
croft is a good shout i agree. sid barnes and archie jackson are also possibilities.
watson
Banned
We need a Long Career team to take on the Short Career team.
Qualification is > 100 Test matches;
01. Sunil Gavaskar (125)
02. Gordon Greenidge (108)
03. Viv Richards (121)
04. Sachin Tendulkar (>198)
05. Brian Lara (131)
06. Jacques Kallis (>162)
07. Mark Boucher (147)
08. Wasim Akram (104)
09. Shane Warne (145)
10. Courtney Walsh (132)
11. Glenn McGrath (124)
Sobers, Gilchrist, Knott, and Ambrose all just miss out because of the cut-off.
Qualification is > 100 Test matches;
01. Sunil Gavaskar (125)
02. Gordon Greenidge (108)
03. Viv Richards (121)
04. Sachin Tendulkar (>198)
05. Brian Lara (131)
06. Jacques Kallis (>162)
07. Mark Boucher (147)
08. Wasim Akram (104)
09. Shane Warne (145)
10. Courtney Walsh (132)
11. Glenn McGrath (124)
Sobers, Gilchrist, Knott, and Ambrose all just miss out because of the cut-off.