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As others have said, it's a no-brainer to take him on tour
However, it would be foolhardy to pencil him in for more than a couple of tests
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*Official* Road to 2013 Ashes
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However, it would be foolhardy to pencil him in for more than a couple of tests
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Gotta admire the sheer incompetency of CA
An A tour to the UK comprised of matches against Ireland, Scotland and Gloucestershire wont prove anything to anybody let alone provide the players with a platform to push their case for inclusion in the Ashes squad
An A tour to the UK comprised of matches against Ireland, Scotland and Gloucestershire wont prove anything to anybody let alone provide the players with a platform to push their case for inclusion in the Ashes squad
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Again it comes down to the same old debate, why are Shield numbers so important? If the selectors know a player is good enough then they should pick them regardless of how well they are doing in domestic cricket, I'm hoping that the selectors do know that the conditions in Shield cricket are vastly different from international cricket so in that case, how relevant are these stats?
If the same logic were to be applied to the current Australian side, then after the Indian tour it shouldn't make no sense to pick even a single player from that squad apart from Clarke for the Ashes series, but obviously we aren't going to do that because the conditions in England are going to vastly different to the one's in India.
Eventually if we want to compete during the Ashes, then we seriously need to take our best available players and selecting those players isn't going to as simple as picking names from the leading wicket-takers and run-scorers from Shield cricket this season.
If the same logic were to be applied to the current Australian side, then after the Indian tour it shouldn't make no sense to pick even a single player from that squad apart from Clarke for the Ashes series, but obviously we aren't going to do that because the conditions in England are going to vastly different to the one's in India.
Eventually if we want to compete during the Ashes, then we seriously need to take our best available players and selecting those players isn't going to as simple as picking names from the leading wicket-takers and run-scorers from Shield cricket this season.
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So the only side you play in England is one of the weakest ones, makes sense to me. Why help you along, hardly likely to give us a hand are you?
pup11
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So when England comes around to Australia they should play their warm-up games against grade sides on university grounds?
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My biggest concern is Pattinson and Harris playing in the same XI and both of them breaking down in the middle of the game, chances of something like that happening are minimal but the way things have been going for the Aussies it won't be a surprise to see something like that happen.
My weekend park side would probably be up for a match. Astroturf at the local school, obvs.
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Well I don't remember the England Lions playing against NSW or Victoria during/right before the 2010-11 ashes
the big bambino
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As Nufan said the only gamble with Harris is that he breaks down during a game. But he's worth the spot on the tour as he can be aimed up for a test or 2 and cause England some problems,
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You all think I'm a hopeless ****, but I've made real strides on this tour and am now giving ****s everywhere real hope.
I heard an interview on radio with Warner before the fourth test, and the hosts had to actually say to him "Dave, you know we're 3-0 down in the series, don't you, not 3-0 up?" based on the management-speak bull**** he was sprouting.
Gone right off Warner until he blazes a massive double in the deciding Test of the Ashes. Hope he gets piles.
the big bambino
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Yes I'd forgotten about Faulkner. Might have to rethink Henriques' spot. If Bird is fit he comes in for Johnson for sure. Otherwise its btwn Mitch amd Hilf. I like Hilf as a guy but I'm not a fan of his bowling. His bowling looks flat (for want of a better word) to me. Johnson is far from ideal but he's bowled ok since coming back into the side. He likes a hard pitch. Maybe at the Oval...?
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They admitted that ages ago.
Quiney was employed as a human shield.
Which, tbf, he has better prospects at than being employed as a test batsman.
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Yeah, if he plays he will cause any line up trouble. Bloke is real quality.
Jono
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Ok just listening to SEN (yeah I know) seems everyone is cracking at it because he's claiming they're on the right track and also that a similar squad will likely be chosen for the ashes ie the players in India are the best Australia have got.
Then I just heard a part of an interview where someone has admitted they did not want to expose Hughes to the number 1 team in the world.
Interesting
Then I just heard a part of an interview where someone has admitted they did not want to expose Hughes to the number 1 team in the world.
Interesting
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Ah ok I missed them actually admitting it then
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Yeah invers came out ages ago and said it, at the time of Hughes' re-selection. Wasn't just speculation.
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The real crime is coming out and saying it because you
a) alienate Quiney by saying he wasn't selected on merit, and;
b) alienate the Prince because you say you don't put trust in him.
It sounds horrible, and I'm not for it, but it worked out well because Hughes was still undergoing, and testing out I guess, his new technique. I think throwing him against the worlds best pace attack would have hurt him if he wasn't 100% confident in his new technique.
But as I said, it was managed horribly. There was no need to come out and say it because on face value you could easily defend Quiney's selection in the first place.
a) alienate Quiney by saying he wasn't selected on merit, and;
b) alienate the Prince because you say you don't put trust in him.
It sounds horrible, and I'm not for it, but it worked out well because Hughes was still undergoing, and testing out I guess, his new technique. I think throwing him against the worlds best pace attack would have hurt him if he wasn't 100% confident in his new technique.
But as I said, it was managed horribly. There was no need to come out and say it because on face value you could easily defend Quiney's selection in the first place.