***Official*** Australia in India 2012/13

[uvelocity]

If I was hughes I'd go hang around with the chennai super kings, they are top guys

 

[vicky]

The BCCI have banned a whole stack of players from doing that though, including (IIRC) every centrally contracted England player. So I don't know if Hughes would be allowed.

From memory that had to do more with some sort of peeing contest between the BCCI and the ECB. Read an article on it, don't remember the details...

Shouldn't effect Ausralian players i wouldn't think..

 

[Spikey]

If I was hughes I'd go hang around with the chennai super kings, they are top guys

good work

 

[Prince EWS]

From memory that had to do more with some sort of peeing contest between the BCCI and the ECB. Read an article on it, don't remember the details...

Shouldn't effect Ausralian players i wouldn't think..

The BCCI have been progressively of that attitude though; just generally spiteful about the idea of players improving their games. They don't want to give 'opposition' youngsters exposure to Indian conditions or bowlers, to ensure they're as absolutely rubbish as possible when they tour. It probably bugs me more than the DRS thing actually.

 

[ganeshran]

From memory that had to do more with some sort of peeing contest between the BCCI and the ECB. Read an article on it, don't remember the details...

Shouldn't effect Ausralian players i wouldn't think..

Ya It was in retaliation to the ECB not allowing IPL teams to play Ireland or some other associate side.

Aussie players shouldnt have any problem coming to India. Raina went to Australia recently to improve against short pitched bowling. Ishant is there currently too. Before the controversy English players came to India to practice for UAE tour

 

[silentstriker]

The BCCI have been progressively of that attitude though; just generally spiteful about the idea of players improving their games. They don't want to give 'opposition' youngsters exposure to Indian conditions or bowlers, to ensure they're as absolutely rubbish as possible when they tour. It probably bugs me more than the DRS thing actually.

Huh? Where do you get that from?

 

[Prince EWS]

Huh? Where do you get that from?

Yeah I knew I'd get called out on that, and I don't care tbh. It's just the vibe I got from several things that occurred during England's tour of India. They've got no shame about it either.

 

[honestbharani]

Frankly speaking its just sad to see the kind of stick Hughes copes whenever he fails, he is sailing on the same boat like all other batsmen, yet he is the one who is always under the spotlight whenever he fails.

He has basically opened the batting all his life and now in very tough conditions he is being asked to start his innings against spin which he clearly isn't used to doing, makes you wonder what these selectors were thinking while picking 5 openers in one squad.

He would probably have to start more than half of his innings against spin even if he was opening anyways..

 

[honestbharani]

Simple because our selectors are a bunch of dumb ****s....

The thing is Hughes is a solid character, for a guy his age he has maturity beyond his years, you would never see him celebrating in an over the top fashion after reaching a landmark or showing any theatrics after getting out cheaply. He has the passion and integrity to say no to a BBL deal and then spend his own money to go to India, to develop his on-side game which was pretty much non-existent previously, these are the little things that tell you a lot about a young player's temperament, all you can ask from your young player is to show the urge to improve and get better and someone like Hughes has certainly done that.

So if he did come over here, he must have given himself as good a shot as any in that Aussie line up in learning to play spin, right? I remember Matty Hayden doing something like this before the 2001 series and it spawned the birth of one of the modern day great openers... So how can you use it as a justification of why you want him in the side and yet conveniently avoid it when it shows that he does not seemed to have learned very much from his time here..

 

[honestbharani]

The BCCI have been progressively of that attitude though; just generally spiteful about the idea of players improving their games. They don't want to give 'opposition' youngsters exposure to Indian conditions or bowlers, to ensure they're as absolutely rubbish as possible when they tour. It probably bugs me more than the DRS thing actually.

TBF, they seem equally loathe to allow their own players to improve..

 

[silentstriker]

Yeah I knew I'd get called out on that, and I don't care tbh. It's just the vibe I got from several things that occurred during England's tour of India. They've got no shame about it either.

I'm just asking what you are basing that on.

 

[social]

Whilst I'm not defending Hughes' performances in any way shape of form, I think it's worth bearing in mind the mode of his dismissals

1. Chopped on a wide long hop

2. Caught off a ball that exploded from the rough at his throat

3. Caught behind off a short ball

4. Bowled off the glove whilst sweeping

None of the above were indications of technical deficiencies per se - they were simply 3 rubbish shots against average deliveries and an unlucky one

I'd give him the rest of the series tbh

 

[honestbharani]

Whilst I'm not defending Hughes' performances in any way shape of form, I think it's worth bearing in mind the mode of his dismissals

1. Chopped on a wide long hop

2. Caught off a ball that exploded from the rough at his throat

3. Caught behind off a short ball

4. Bowled off the glove whilst sweeping

None of the above were indications of technical deficiencies per se - they were simply 3 rubbish shots against average deliveries and an unlucky one

I'd give him the rest of the series tbh

yeah, but 3 rubbish shots in 4 innings tells me of a batsman who needs to be dropped faster than one who is just having difficulty because of the conditions being foreign to him.. Bear in mind the rubbish shots are happening when he is still in single digit scores..

 

[Stapel]

Whilst I'm not defending Hughes' performances in any way shape of form, I think it's worth bearing in mind the mode of his dismissals

1. Chopped on a wide long hop

2. Caught off a ball that exploded from the rough at his throat

3. Caught behind off a short ball

4. Bowled off the glove whilst sweeping

None of the above were indications of technical deficiencies per se - they were simply 3 rubbish shots against average deliveries and an unlucky one

I'd give him the rest of the series tbh

Getting out by stupid shots consistently, is a perfectly fine reason to drop a batsman..... If there is an alternative .

 

[Furball]

Whilst I'm not defending Hughes' performances in any way shape of form, I think it's worth bearing in mind the mode of his dismissals

1. Chopped on a wide long hop

2. Caught off a ball that exploded from the rough at his throat

3. Caught behind off a short ball

4. Bowled off the glove whilst sweeping

None of the above were indications of technical deficiencies per se - they were simply 3 rubbish shots against average deliveries and an unlucky one

I'd give him the rest of the series tbh

Sureoy playing rubbish/poor shots is the textbook definition of technical deficiencies?

 

[social]

yeah, but 3 rubbish shots in 4 innings tells me of a batsman who needs to be dropped faster than one who is just having difficulty because of the conditions being foreign to him.. Bear in mind the rubbish shots are happening when he is still in single digit scores..

There is little doubt that Hughes' errors are being brought on by the pressure of not being able to score off the spinners so you have to give the bowlers credit

Given that, he needs to work out a way of scoring runs aside from the big shot

As others have said, Hughes has a history of working things out and as we are not exactly overflowing with alternatives, I'm prepared to invest in him for this series

Furthermore, he is a walk up start for the ODI team and as there is a Champions Trophy to be played prior to the Ashes, I think it makes sense to persevere with him at test level for the time being

And, let's face it, we are basically ****ed for this series so let's invest in the future

 

[honestbharani]

There is little doubt that Hughes' errors are being brought on by the pressure of not being able to score off the spinners so you have to give the bowlers credit

Given that, he needs to work out a way of scoring runs aside from the big shot

As others have said, Hughes has a history of working things out and as we are not exactly overflowing with alternatives, I'm prepared to invest in him for this series

Furthermore, he is a walk up start for the ODI team and as there is a Champions Trophy to be played prior to the Ashes, I think it makes sense to persevere with him at test level for the time being

And, let's face it, we are basically ****ed for this series so let's invest in the future

See, you may know more about the Aussie scene and the youngsters than me, but I just don't think it is doing anyone, including Hughes, any good to be batting and getting found out in this manner.. Ponting in 2001 was just as bad, but he had already proven himself in other conditions and it is infinitely easier to carry a poor #6 through 3 tests in a solid batting order than a poor #3 for 4 tests in a struggling batting order..

If you really think he is worth persisting with, at least drop him down the order and see what he can do if he walks in after Cowan/Warner/Watson/Clarke have set some kind of a score up for him.. Plus, I still am not sure if Khawaja or Smith would be any worse than him.. If you want him to practice for the Champions Trophy, ensure he gets into the ODI games.. This is, in no way, helping him...

 

[social]

See, you may know more about the Aussie scene and the youngsters than me, but I just don't think it is doing anyone, including Hughes, any good to be batting and getting found out in this manner.. Ponting in 2001 was just as bad, but he had already proven himself in other conditions and it is infinitely easier to carry a poor #6 through 3 tests in a solid batting order than a poor #3 for 4 tests in a struggling batting order..

If you really think he is worth persisting with, at least drop him down the order and see what he can do if he walks in after Cowan/Warner/Watson/Clarke have set some kind of a score up for him.. Plus, I still am not sure if Khawaja or Smith would be any worse than him.. If you want him to practice for the Champions Trophy, ensure he gets into the ODI games.. This is, in no way, helping him...

From memory Ponting was very, very different as his technical deficiencies were really highlighted - constantly being caught in close having played with very hard hands

Hughes' seem to be mental in that he is being stuck on strike and then playing a poor shot

Given his talent (and it is immense) and the lack of alternatives, I simply think that the Oz selectors should back him for the series and see whether he works it out

 

[Tangles]

If Watsons out for the next test we have to find a #4. If you drop Hughes also you now have to find a 3 and a 4. Lets not forget Cowans under massive pressure and could have a had a duck here.

Khawaja should come in for Watson and I'm not that enthused by having Smith in the lineup just cause Hughes looks shot against spin. I don't see an easy solution for the selectors given the squad they picked. Maybe Clarke could bat every position with a different Wig?

IMO Hughes not being an experienced #3 but an opener is a valid point. If he opened and was able to slap a few in the middle before the spinners come on it would help him. How much is debatable but its better than starting on zero.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Maybe Clarke could bat every position with a different Wig?