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***Official*** England in New Zealand series 2013
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Zinzan
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Smithy missed McMillan's major point which was that we needed to have more intent from the get-go as opposed to what we should do from here. Unfortunately McMillan's not quite smart enough to remember that now
Athlai
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**** off Smithy what if after 10 they are 40/0 and all of a sudden we're ****ed.
Need the runs and in this situation with these players we should chance our arm a little and try take the game back.
We take the risk and we get a decent total like 275 or so then we stand a much better chance than taking no risks and settling for 220.
Need the runs and in this situation with these players we should chance our arm a little and try take the game back.
We take the risk and we get a decent total like 275 or so then we stand a much better chance than taking no risks and settling for 220.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Definitely.
KiWiNiNjA
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Prince EWS
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Well it'd be a mistake to drop him for Bruce Martin, Chris Martin or Neil Wagner IMO. I'm more open to Butler or Gillespie playing, but it'd depend on what their fitness levels were like and what they were actually sending down in domestic cricket. Gillespie's only worth picking when he's really fit and bowling full rat and I have no idea what Butler actually bowls in four day cricket these days; he's taking a lot of wickets but it's entirely possible he's only able to bowl full pace over 4 over spells. If you rule those two out then yeah I still want Jeets.
Prince EWS
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Just on that, really keen for Kippax to make a 2012-13 Butler PS wickets video.
straw man
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****, just realised Otago collapsed and Wellington won.
Kippax
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hendrix
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pretty decent summary.
grecian
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Broad still looking horrid, but I have to say I'm really liking Woakes bowling. I was bothered about his pace, but it was his pace without accuracy that worried me (reminded me of Plunkett). Yet he seems, much more controlled ATM, and he definitely does seem to be moving the ball.
straw man
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Definitely does. In general I like this as it means the batsmen are threatened more in the first 20 overs and restores the bat/ball balance somewhat.
grecian
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hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
The only issue is the lack of reverse swing.
Cabinet96
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So here's an interesting question; who would partner Anderson and Swann in the bowling line up for the first test? Broad and Finn would probably be the obvious paring, but as grecian said, Broad isn't looking great. I'd still pick him in an ideal XI, but for this tour I'd be really keen to try and get Woakes in and give him a shot. He's probably the least deserving of all the bowlers in the squad to get a game, but I really think this tour could be a chance to see whether he's good enough for test cricket at the moment, and of course if his batting is a success, it could open up the possibility of five bowlers, which could be handy if we want to play two spinners in the Ashes. Onions probably should be ahead of him in the pecking order, but I'd like to try him out.
Prince EWS
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WAG. Will watch it now.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Reverse swing was taken out of the by the mandatory old ball change anyway.
You either let the same ball be used for 50 or you use two new balls IMO; bringing out a reconditioned old ball every game was always a terrible idea.