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Jesus, how bout you quote me next time, punk.
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Starc vs Boult - who will have the better career?
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benchmark00
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Where'd you post that you ****?
Blain
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This thread has turned into a NZ vs Aus troll feast as expected.
Oz certainly has the better depth in young fast bowlers. I think we have some really promising guys as well, but they cant stay on the park in domestic cricket let alone internationals (Wheeler, Henry, Milne, Small, Duffy), who all bowl at a good clip with movement at the age of around 18-22.
Starc vs Boult, Starc has a bit more pace and movement. Boult has a better bowling action imo, nice and high with a tidy release with movement in the air and off the pitch. Starc jogs in and almost slings it down. But I can see him being a more effective bowler at the end of the day due to his pace and being in the Aussie invironment.
Oz certainly has the better depth in young fast bowlers. I think we have some really promising guys as well, but they cant stay on the park in domestic cricket let alone internationals (Wheeler, Henry, Milne, Small, Duffy), who all bowl at a good clip with movement at the age of around 18-22.
Starc vs Boult, Starc has a bit more pace and movement. Boult has a better bowling action imo, nice and high with a tidy release with movement in the air and off the pitch. Starc jogs in and almost slings it down. But I can see him being a more effective bowler at the end of the day due to his pace and being in the Aussie invironment.
NZTailender
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No Ashes series in that time to improve their average.
Andre
International Regular
Unsurprisingly TC and benchy spot on. Generally speaking these injuries happen behind closed doors when the guys in that age group are coming up through grade and state cricket. Most of our fast bowlers in the past 15 or so years have come in to the side around 24-25 or older when their bodies have matured.
Last quick to come in to the group at a similar age was J Gillespie, and he was cursed with injury until his mid-20's and then didn't miss a lot of cricket.
Part and parcel of the age group, it's just these guys have made the next step a lot earlier than our recent quicks so we've been blessed to have hardened cricketers coming in. Don't really need a team of scientific gurus to tell us why it is happening.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
To get back on topic...
I think Starc will have the better career. He will benefit from having a lot of depth in support bowlers, and a cricketing system in Australia that has more money to spend on further development and the like than New Zealand does. Andre, TC and benchy are all right in regards to his age and injury. If he doesn't have a Franklin-style game changing injury he should be on the road to pick up 300 test wickets at the least.
In terms of the better attacks, we should start a different thread for that which really will just be patriotic argument until 2 or more years have passed when all the aforementioned will have played a lot more Tests and have gotten past that early, injury-prone time of their early 20s. As it stands, I don't think you can really say New Zealand has the better attack, even if the line up has been more 'reliable' than the ever changing Australian pace attack.
I think Starc will have the better career. He will benefit from having a lot of depth in support bowlers, and a cricketing system in Australia that has more money to spend on further development and the like than New Zealand does. Andre, TC and benchy are all right in regards to his age and injury. If he doesn't have a Franklin-style game changing injury he should be on the road to pick up 300 test wickets at the least.
In terms of the better attacks, we should start a different thread for that which really will just be patriotic argument until 2 or more years have passed when all the aforementioned will have played a lot more Tests and have gotten past that early, injury-prone time of their early 20s. As it stands, I don't think you can really say New Zealand has the better attack, even if the line up has been more 'reliable' than the ever changing Australian pace attack.
Back off topic slightly, didn't want to start a new thread, probably the best place for it:
Was an article in the paper (I'll try to find it) with an interview with Cummins today.
Said the fracture will be completely closed up in 3 weeks.
Has knocked back an IPL contract, and has told CA that he's not to be selected for T20 or ODI's, he's focusing only on red ball cricket from now on (fantastic attitude from the 19 year old).
He's been ruled out of India, because he won't be playing any shield cricket before Febuary.
He's going over to England to play grade cricket (lol), and some county cricket, to prepare for the Ashes in England which is his no.1 focus atm.
He said, he's going to try and bowl as many overs as possible in the English grade system, to build up his fitness, before hitting the county circuit (good luck to those blokes).
He admited he's unlikely to play all the games, but probably be more of an "impact" bowler, essentially playing every second test......
I thought he would be aiming for the home series, if he's fit for England, it's another dimension to the attack imo...
Was an article in the paper (I'll try to find it) with an interview with Cummins today.
Said the fracture will be completely closed up in 3 weeks.
Has knocked back an IPL contract, and has told CA that he's not to be selected for T20 or ODI's, he's focusing only on red ball cricket from now on (fantastic attitude from the 19 year old).
He's been ruled out of India, because he won't be playing any shield cricket before Febuary.
He's going over to England to play grade cricket (lol), and some county cricket, to prepare for the Ashes in England which is his no.1 focus atm.
He said, he's going to try and bowl as many overs as possible in the English grade system, to build up his fitness, before hitting the county circuit (good luck to those blokes).
He admited he's unlikely to play all the games, but probably be more of an "impact" bowler, essentially playing every second test......
I thought he would be aiming for the home series, if he's fit for England, it's another dimension to the attack imo...
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hendrix
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Great move, I wish we'd do the same with Milne.
IMO, it's not just a good attitude but it's smart as well. Nearly all fast bowlers get smashed in t20, and all they get out of it is a decent slower ball. It doesn't encourage working on seam presentation or rhythm or the ability to bowl long spell.
Spark
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Gun. Top attitude.
Especially since he's still developing his action, and doesn't need it messed up by short-form cricket as he's alluded to.
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ohnoitsyou
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Nah every once in a while he produces a ripper spell between his usual filth. Which kind of makes him an older Starc
flibbertyjibber
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Depends of course on him being selected. Guess they could take him and Harris and play them in alternate tests though.
hendrix
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I'm tempted to say that this is on seaming wickets and/or against substandard batsmen.Nah every once in a while he produces a ripper spell between his usual filth. Which kind of makes him an older Starc
When I watched him against the West Indies his seam presentation was horrible and he got no swing or deviation off the pitch.
ohnoitsyou
International Regular
Yeah his seam presentation is filth, but most Otago supporters i have talked to swear that he gets nearly as much swing as Timmeh and Boult, and apparently is the best reverse-swinger in the country. But then he bowled **** at slow pace in his "ideal conditions" on the WI tour so who knows.
Edit: The bowling conditions were not the greatest in the WI if i remember correctly, but we should get a look at him in one of the tests
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wellAlbidarned
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No-one was calling Starc trash iirc, they just said he had bowled plenty of trash up to that stage which was true.
Prince EWS
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Shiny new toy for Boult; swinging it both ways now. It'll be interesting to see how wisely he uses that.
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To me Boult looks head and shoulders above the rest of the NZ bowlers. Hope he stays fit as he could end up a very very good bowler.
