Cabinet96
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And Englands spinners >>> India's seamers
The point still stands that an extreme pitch will level the playing field somewhat.
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The point still stands that an extreme pitch will level the playing field somewhat.
centurymaker
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considering that yadav is now doubtful, should india go in with 3 spinners?
the pitch is likely to have more help for the spinners, as it's already somewhat worn out apparently
the pitch is likely to have more help for the spinners, as it's already somewhat worn out apparently
Prince EWS
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Yeah I'd probably go with three spinners if Yadav was ruled out. It's tempting the Gods to injure Zaheer in his first over though.
Motorwada
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When was the last time India were defeated on a minefield?
Thing is, India's mastery over spin is absolute. You'll get one instance in a decade when spinners have had good series against India.
These are the series averages of the main spinners against India in last few years:
Ind-NZ 2012 :- J Patel (35.14)
Ind-Oz 2011-12 :- N Lyon (41.57)
Ind-WI 2011 :- D Bishoo (62.28)
Ind-Eng 2011 :- G Swann (40.69)
Ind-WI 2011 :- D Bishoo (32.58)
Ind-SA 2010-11 :- P Harris (64.25)
Ind-NZ 2010 :- D Vettori (36.57)
Ind-Oz 2010 :- N Hauritz (65.00)
Ind-SL 2010 :- S Randiv (34.90), BAW Mendis (57.66)
Ind-SA 2010 :- P Harris (59.50)
Ind-SL 2009 :- Murali (65.66), Herath (48.81)
Ind-NZ 2009 :- D Vettori (52.28)
Ind-Eng 2008 :- Panesar (50.50), Swann (39.50)
Ind-Oz 2008 :- C White (68.40)
Ind-SL 2008 :- Mendis (18.38), Murali (22.23)
Ind-SA 2008 :- P Harris (51.00)
Ind-Oz 2007-08 :- B Hogg (60.12)
Ind-Pak 2007 :- D Kaneria (52.33)
Ind-Eng 2007 :- M Panesar (50.37)
Apart from that one bolded series spinners not only have not done well, they have been extremely poor and these series were in a variety of conditions
This is not the case with England, Oz, SA. In the same time period there have been many series where seamers have done well against these three teams.
Here are some for England
England
2012 Basil D Oliviera - Steyn (29.20) , Philander (23.66)
2011 Pataudi - P Kumar (29.53)
2010-11 Ashes - R Harris (25.54)
2010 Pak - Amir (18.36)
2009 Basil D Oliviera - Steyn (23.80), Morkel (21.47)
2009 Ashes - Hilfenhaus (27.45)
2008 Pataudi - Z Khan (21.00), I Sharma (25.16)
2007 Pataudi - Z Khan (20.33) , RP Singh (28.91)
centurymaker
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imagine how england wud react..
Neil Pickup
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I thought Yadav was excellent in the first test, so I'm glad to see the back of him.
If we get wiped out by Harbhajan we don't deserve to live.
If we get wiped out by Harbhajan we don't deserve to live.
ankitj
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I don't think I agree with the idea that an extreme pitch is necessarily going to level the field. That would depend a lot on the relative strengths of the batsmen in the two teams. India of 2006-10 had batting that was good ween enough to get some runs against best pacers on helping wickets. Question is are England as strong against spin? From all evidence, that doesn't seem to be the case (although predictions can come back to bite you in the arse).
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Motorwada
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Has Yadav been ruled out?
Cabinet96
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And when was the last time India played a side on a mindfield against a quality spinner?
centurymaker
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yes i also think that ind wud benefit more from a turner than a slow & low sort of pitch.
if the probabilities were this on a slow low pitch-
india 50-60%
england 10%
draw 30-40%
the probabilites on a turner would be-
india 80%
england 20%
draw 0%
yes it probably increases england's chances but india gain far more IMO.
centurymaker
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i doubt they'll risk him now.
harby as replacement would be quite handy if the pitch is really not a slow and low type and has more bounce.
Turbinator
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Yadav's doubtful? Oh ****. 
Don't tell me we're gonna bring Dinda in for him now. That kid is useless. Worst. Bowler. Ever.
Don't tell me we're gonna bring Dinda in for him now. That kid is useless. Worst. Bowler. Ever.
Viscount Tom
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Dinda to take 7-fer now because of that comment.
hendrix
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I disagree with this.
An average of around 35 is a very adequate return on flat wickets where teams are consistently scoring 400+ . I've highlighted the ones that I think are more than acceptable. I really doubt that the seamers have done much better in Indian conditions against India.
It will still be advantage india, I'm not doubting that, but it will place far less importance on the toss.
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Darn, despite us losing he was probably the highlight of the test for me, bowled very well at pace on a dead pitch for pace men and looks a real prospect. Hope it not serious but if he is injured I hope we don't see him again this series and he is allowed to get over it properly (please send Finn home) and come back when ready.
honestbharani
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
That may well be the reason they are doing this in the first place. We may not always get lucky with the toss on tracks like this first test one.
Hello world!
Being English... I had a bet on the series being a 2-1 win for england.... The 1 loss is out of the way now. Bring on the big odds bet gamble!
Predictions -
KP to hit a double century facing only left arm slow.
Cook to get bored of being "safe" and hits 2 back to back overs of 6's
Bresnan to bowl well for 2 overs in a row
Ian Bell to shave his head
The commentators never to mention KP's exile from the England squad ever again.
The decision not to play Monty Panaesar (Who ive met... and he is a dick) in the first test, will never be mentioned again.
Oh - England to win the next toss, put up a modest 375 all out, then to bowl India all out twice for 180 + 145, and win in just over 2 days.
Print it!
Being English... I had a bet on the series being a 2-1 win for england.... The 1 loss is out of the way now. Bring on the big odds bet gamble!
Predictions -
KP to hit a double century facing only left arm slow.
Cook to get bored of being "safe" and hits 2 back to back overs of 6's
Bresnan to bowl well for 2 overs in a row
Ian Bell to shave his head
The commentators never to mention KP's exile from the England squad ever again.
The decision not to play Monty Panaesar (Who ive met... and he is a dick) in the first test, will never be mentioned again.
Oh - England to win the next toss, put up a modest 375 all out, then to bowl India all out twice for 180 + 145, and win in just over 2 days.
Print it!
