***Official*** West Indies in Bangladesh 2012

[Challis]

Chanderpaul was injured, he didn't field for the whole of Bangladesh's innings.
All results possible on the final day, you don't get to say that very much when Bangladesh is playing especially given the fact both teams scored over 500 in their first innings.
It could have been even better for Bangladesh as Junaid Siddique dropped a sitter of a catch when Powell was on 17.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

It could have been even better for Bangladesh as Junaid Siddique dropped a sitter of a catch when Powell was on 17.

In fact he dropped total of three catches in the whole test; no excuse at this level. Also he is a walking wicket. Think he should be replaced by Anamul in the next test. Anamul cracked a 72 today in NCL.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I hope Bangladesh get the wickets early tomorrow and set up a thrilling chase. Be as bad a defeat for WI as the England one in Adelaide having declared thinking the game was safe and trying to be a bit ****y.

 

[Howe_zat]

If the Windies lose this (still not likely, they do have a healthy lead) then it'd be a stretch to blame it on the first innings.

If it's the kind of game where you've sauntered your way to 500+ on the second day then you have to think about giving your bowlers as much time as possible to get the oppo out, and at the very least you'll be putting some faith in your batsmen to hold up second time around. Making your decisions based around the rest of the match being an absolute catastrophe won't win you many games.

 

[Athlai]

Bangers have a fair few dashers. They could chase 250-300 if Tamim or Shakib tons up IMO.

Still need 70-80 overs though.

 

[NUFAN]

Yeah but my only problem with WI's declaration is that they didn't try and smack it around for half an hour or so and make better use of their batsman left in the change room, it really felt like they were happy to lift the batsman's averages.

I'm pretty sure though that when they declared, they didn't imagine Bangladesh to be in front after the first innings though! Looking forward to today's play.

 

[centurymaker]

I still reckon WI will win because Bangers have 12 years of demons to deal with.

however, I'd be nice if they won as with renewed confidence, they may finally start winning some tests

 

[Athlai]

Really liking Bangladesh's batting prospects. 8 Test standard bats albeit 6 of them are #7 quality.

 

[Flem274*]

As a fellow supporter of a not very good team, I'd feel pretty sorry for the Windies if they lost.

 

[Bahnz]

Is the pitch actually breaking up, or did the Windies just self-combust?

 

[Scaly piscine]

If the Windies lose this (still not likely, they do have a healthy lead) then it'd be a stretch to blame it on the first innings.

If it's the kind of game where you've sauntered your way to 500+ on the second day then you have to think about giving your bowlers as much time as possible to get the oppo out, and at the very least you'll be putting some faith in your batsmen to hold up second time around. Making your decisions based around the rest of the match being an absolute catastrophe won't win you many games.

Not only did the declaration significantly increase West Indies' chances of losing (lets face it by their standards this 240odd is a good score already - they usually manage one sub-200 score a match) but it hurt their chances of winning too.

West Indies have an awful batting line-up and tons of bowling. None of your arguments hold water. Why give a team like Bangladesh hope? Grind them into the dust. Bangladesh don't have the mentality to bat for a draw

West Indies should have looked at scoring 750-800 runs in the match. As it happens they may even lose with that 800 - that would be somewhat freakish. The quickest way to score that many runs is to increase the aggression past 500. You lose far less time that way than declaring at 527 and having to bat to 250 or so - which you might not even get but you certainly can't bat with any great freedom. If you bat with freedom past 500 then you get runs quickly. If you make it to 600-650 then you're almost certain to be safe, you maximise time left in the match and you set a much tougher follow-on target. If WI wanted or had to bat again then they spend less time consolidating or batting with low aggression.

To put it another way you can get those 100 runs batting with total freedom against a knackered attack on a less worn pitch in the first innings, or you can get them in the 3rd innings when you're worried about losing wickets, which will then have a knock-on effect to the rest of the innings.

Ignoring the fact that teams will get bowled out trying to score say 250 instead of 150 - I reckon it would take you another 40 overs to score 250 instead of 150 simply because the first 100 out of 250 will typically be batted normally at around 3 an over - and then you'll lose 2-3 wickets typically as well - which effects the rest of the 150 runs you get. So 30 or so extra overs initially and a few more because of the 2-3 extra wickets and so greater consolidation potential and/or less able batsmen at the crease.

 

[DriveClub]

Not only did the declaration significantly increase West Indies' chances of losing (lets face it by their standards this 240odd is a good score already - they usually manage one sub-200 score a match) but it hurt their chances of winning too.

West Indies have an awful batting line-up and tons of bowling. None of your arguments hold water. Why give a team like Bangladesh hope? Grind them into the dust. Bangladesh don't have the mentality to bat for a draw

West Indies should have looked at scoring 750-800 runs in the match. As it happens they may even lose with that 800 - that would be somewhat freakish. The quickest way to score that many runs is to increase the aggression past 500. You lose far less time that way than declaring at 527 and having to bat to 250 or so - which you might not even get but you certainly can't bat with any great freedom. If you bat with freedom past 500 then you get runs quickly. If you make it to 600-650 then you're almost certain to be safe, you maximise time left in the match and you set a much tougher follow-on target. If WI wanted or had to bat again then they spend less time consolidating or batting with low aggression.

To put it another way you can get those 100 runs batting with total freedom against a knackered attack on a less worn pitch in the first innings, or you can get them in the 3rd innings when you're worried about losing wickets, which will then have a knock-on effect to the rest of the innings.

Ignoring the fact that teams will get bowled out trying to score say 250 instead of 150 - I reckon it would take you another 40 overs to score 250 instead of 150 simply because the first 100 out of 250 will typically be batted normally at around 3 an over - and then you'll lose 2-3 wickets typically as well - which effects the rest of the 150 runs you get. So 30 or so extra overs initially and a few more because of the 2-3 extra wickets and so greater consolidation potential and/or less able batsmen at the crease.

750-800? lol am I reading it right? Windies were probably reckless going in with 5 specialist batsmen and declaring at 500 but this is stretching it a bit.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Sammy gone, still no sign of Chanders

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Gazi you beauty, picks up a five-for

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Target is 245

 

[Spikey]

can't believe tino didn't save them

 

[NUFAN]

Yeah awesome work Gazi - 245 in 75 overs sets up an awesome finish!

 

[Challis]

What an exciting game on prospect, Gazi cleaning up the WI tail, leaving Bangladesh to chase 245 for the win, if Tamim plays with his head, and the rest of the batsmen don't gift their wickets then this could be on

 

[Spark]

Weird post from Scaly given that WI actually did score 800 runs in the match

 

[Daemon]

Nearly every single time the Bangers are chasing any sort of total, the one thing I keep hearing from everyone is that they'll win if Tamim gets going.

Never happens. Hope it doesn't today as well because I'll be $40 poorer.