***Official*** New Zealand in India 2012

[wellAlbidarned]

And yet in both it's been the fielding that's been the single most disappointing aspect

Indeed. We used to be "that ****ty team who can field pretty well". Nowadays we're just "that ****ty team".

 

[Howsie]

Yep, the fielding of this team really has gone down a level or two since John Wright took over. I wonder if we'll see an improvement with the new coaching staff.

 

[Manee]

Same old crappy formula still good for India since 70's when they started playing test cricket.

• Invite foreign team specially non-asian teams
• Make dead pitches, flat, no grass, no bounce basically dead body.
• Win the toss(I guess they use same head both sides), their batsman becomes tigers all of sudden on dead pitches, so they score around 400-500 runs
• then declare the innings, they always have 3-4 spinners, these 3-4 spinners share all the overs and bowl out the opponent under 250 and then rest is history.

I don't know when Indian start challenging themselves and play are challenging test cricket where they wont play to win and draw mostly.

If the pitch is flat, how do we bowl teams out for such cheap scores?

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Watching the highlights atm. You simply CANNOT allow finger spinners to bowl so slowly. Use your ****ing feet!

 

[silentstriker]

Same old crappy formula still good for India since 70's when they started playing test cricket.

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  Righto...
  
  
  To paraphrase
  

  ...score around 400-500 runs...then declare the innings...and bowl out the opponent under 250 and then rest is history.

  So basically you're saying that India pioneered the radical notion that you play better cricket than the opposition in order to win. I blame the BCCI.

 

[BeeGee]

Dude has no clue what he's talking about, so it's probably not a good idea to feed the troll. It just encourages him.

 

[Days of Grace]

Will there ever be a day when the top six all fall due to good balls, rather than bad shots? Fair enough that every side in the world can expect at least one of their specialist batsmen to get out to a dud shot every innings, but with us it's at least a 3-3 split.

It is clear that our batsmen have technical issues against spin, i.e. not wanting to use their feet, going hard at the ball, etc, but more importantly, they lack the mental application to bat for long periods of time. And this has been going on for years.

The talking about "scoring centuries" by Taylor and co is sounding more ridiculous every time they don't back it up. Very disappointing.

 

[Contra]

liking this pitch, I guess the groundsmen were right, this one isn't a flat deck, even our first innings was rather scratchy. If we can produce wickets like this one and the delhi one we had against WI last year we'd win pretty much every match played in India. So annoying to see complete roads being prepared in the last 4-5 years in India.

 

[Furball]

How else was Sachin going to break Lara's record?

 

[straw man]

Watching the highlights atm. You simply CANNOT allow finger spinners to bowl so slowly. Use your ****ing feet!

I think we could have used our feet more against Ohja, who was bowling really slow with a lot of flight, but I don't it would have worked against Ashwin, who was bowling well. I think 'use your feet to the spinners' is one of those things that is easy to say but a lot harder to do. It's a high-risk, high-return strategy so if you're not that good at it or the spinner is bowling well, chances are you're going to get out. You might successfully hit a few boundaries first but when your team is 400 behind and a few wickets down already, the opposition don't care much about that.

Against Ashwin, I think it was Ganguly who had a good point on Guptill and Taylor's similar dismissals. Said if the offspinner is pitching on middle and spinning down leg looking for the legside catch, the batsman needs to defend by putting the front foot forward in line with leg or even outside leg, and bat alongside pad. Then if it goes straight on you'll hit it and if it turns it'll just hit your pad on the way down leg (no lbw risk). Whereas both Taylor and Guptill were planting the front foot in line with middle, as you would if the offspinner was pitching outside off. Then the ball would pitch on middle, they'd play around the front pad and big chance of edge to close catcher.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

I think we could have used our feet more against Ohja, who was bowling really slow with a lot of flight, but I don't it would have worked against Ashwin, who was bowling well. I think 'use your feet to the spinners' is one of those things that is easy to say but a lot harder to do. It's a high-risk, high-return strategy so if you're not that good at it or the spinner is bowling well, chances are you're going to get out. You might successfully hit a few boundaries first but when your team is 400 behind and a few wickets down already, the opposition don't care much about that.

Against Ashwin, I think it was Ganguly who had a good point on Guptill and Taylor's similar dismissals. Said if the offspinner is pitching on middle and spinning down leg looking for the legside catch, the batsman needs to defend by putting the front foot forward in line with leg or even outside leg, and bat alongside pad. Then if it goes straight on you'll hit it and if it turns it'll just hit your pad on the way down leg (no lbw risk). Whereas both Taylor and Guptill were planting the front foot in line with middle, as you would if the offspinner was pitching outside off. Then the ball would pitch on middle, they'd play around the front pad and big chance of edge to close catcher.

Could say the same for almost all of the "advice" us armchair experts yell at the screen. But yeah, was mostly referring to Ojha who was looping it up like a NZ high school spinner. Ashwin, on the other hand, was mixing it up well.

 

[Hurricane]

Why the hell are are some chicks out there in Sari's assisting the ground staff. You would think they would be dressed in overalls.

 

[Shri]

-10:30 AM start confirmed. 30 mins away.

 

[Daemon]

Been largely forgotten in most discussions (for fair reasons) but Zaheer is such a skillful bowler.

 

[Hurricane]

KVW

 

[TT Boy]

Misses a pull and is out LBW?

Who is the next fail wicket keeper New Zealand have lined up?

 

[Prince EWS]

Misses a pull and is out LBW?

Who is the next fail wicket keeper New Zealand have lined up?

Watling again it seems.

 

[_Ed_]

It may not sit well with a lot of us, but surely Ronchi has to come into contention when he qualifies. He must do better than these guys. Surely.

 

[BeeGee]

Misses a pull and is out LBW?

Who is the next fail wicket keeper New Zealand have lined up?

Derek de Boorder | New Zealand Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[BeeGee]

It may not sit well with a lot of us, but surely Ronchi has to come into contention when he qualifies. He must do better than these guys. Surely.

Indeed.