CW Draft League

[Jager]

You gave me three picks which I decided had to be 'contested' by running them with everyone else's selections (I know I said I'd give you the first pick automatically, but after much consideration I realised that is very unfair for the other 11 players). Hanif got voodooed, which was your first - you'll most likely get your second here, then in R11 you'll go for the third player you left me with, so if you get him and your second, picks 8/9 will be filled. Then you'd still need players to run for for R10/11

 

[watson]

You gave me three picks which I decided had to be 'contested' by running them with everyone else's selections (I know I said I'd give you the first pick automatically, but after much consideration I realised that is very unfair for the other 11 players). Hanif got voodooed, which was your first - you'll most likely get your second here, then in R11 you'll go for the third player you left me with, so if you get him and your second, picks 8/9 will be filled. Then you'd still need players to run for for R10/11

Sounds logical and reasonable to me.

 

[kyear2]

Really great team AZH. Well done.

 

[Jarquis]

You gave me three picks which I decided had to be 'contested' by running them with everyone else's selections (I know I said I'd give you the first pick automatically, but after much consideration I realised that is very unfair for the other 11 players). Hanif got voodooed, which was your first - you'll most likely get your second here, then in R11 you'll go for the third player you left me with, so if you get him and your second, picks 8/9 will be filled. Then you'd still need players to run for for R10/11

Consistency. Nice. Besides, Hanif was contested, no issue. Neither of my others were. Why wasn't I allowed them? Not only have I had to pick them from a reduced player pool but they have to pass more than once? Why?

 

[Jarquis]

Basically, if I understand it. Youre making me pick my round 8 player in round 10 and round 9 in round 11. Which is in no way fair. I missed a few selections and should be entitled to make them as soon as possible, such is the case in any other draft in order to catch up. I effectively made three round 10 picks. 2 of which passed. Yet I'm not allowed them? Makes no sense.

 

[Valer]

Agree with Marcuss here.

There is no way that the following simplified case helps the player

Pass

2x picks

Ex say we're using the following rankings in a 2 person draft (please don't argue on the actual rankings it's just easier than using player a / b /c) for batsman

1 DG Bradman
2 SR Tendulkar
3 GS Sobers
4 JB Hobbs

And then bowlers

1 M Muralitharan
2 Sir RJ Hadlee
3 SF Barnes
4 WJ O'Reilly



First round Marcuss t/os

So I get a free Bradman. Sure I now can't block say Hadlee & Murali... However this isn't the point, I've already blocked one pick by actually getting the player (Bradman), obviously marcuss gets some information on whats going to be picked... however this is in no way as valuable as picking first!... If anyone thinks it is, I'll take one for the team and email you picks so you can avoid them.

 

[Jager]

The big problem with this is that when everyone picks together, it is a fair competition for all because you don't know if your player will be taken and therefore may need to pick differently to ensure you get good players. If you have the privilege of making 'uninhibited' selections (despite making them later than others) then you can easily get any player still available without being challenged for him.

Since there's always selections being made, if you were to make one of these 'invincible' selections whilst someone else selected him at the same time, it would be unfair to knock back the other player and tell them to go pick someone else - the whole concept of the draft is to remove players from the draft pool.

You can get a player in R11, then in R11.2 etc. because they are considered rounds, so it'd not that much of a drawback. In running the draft, I have to make sure it's fair for the majority of people, I can't completely cater for one person just because they timed out (even if it would make things easier for me). 24-hour minimum time periods are double that of a normal draft so it's not like the time constraints are impossible, everyone else has been managing in 6-12 hours easily

 

[Jager]

Round 11 is here. I would like everyone to note that Archie Jackson was taken by Marcuss, but it was recorded in the R8 category.

R1
AndyZaltzHair: Viv Richards
Eds: Shane Warne
watson: Sydney Barnes
kingkallis: Dennis Lillee
Monk: Keith Miller
Blakus: Adam Gilchrist
Himannv: Curtly Ambrose
Cevno/Marcuss: Imran Khan
kyear2: Malcolm Marshall
MrPrez: Wally Hammond
Valer: Muttiah Muralitharan

R2
Jager: Mike Procter
Eds: Glenn McGrath
AndyZaltzHair: Jacques Kallis
Valer: Andy Flower
Blakus: Alan Davidson
watson: Ray Lindwall
kingkallis: Waqar Younis
MrPrez: Sachin Tendulkar
kyear2: Barry Richards
Monk: Brian Lara
Cevno/Marcuss: Fred Trueman
Himannv: Allan Donald

R3
Jager: Dale Steyn
kyear2: Jim Laker
Eds: Graeme Pollock
Monk: John Snow
watson: Charlie Macartney
Valer: Courtney Walsh
kingkallis: Len Hutton
Himannv: Greg Chappell
Blakus: Ian Botham
AndyZaltzHair: Joel Garner
Cevno/Marcuss: Herbert Sutcliffe
MrPrez: Victor Trumper

R4
Jager: Rahul Dravid
Eds: Clyde Walcott
Valer: Charlie Turner
kyear2: Ricky Ponting
kingkallis: Everton Weekes
AndyZaltzHair: Neil Harvey
Monk: Sunil Gavaskar
MrPrez: Jeff Thomson
watson: Bill Lawry
Himannv: Frank Tyson
Cevno/Marcuss: Steve Waugh
Blakus: Richie Benaud

R5
Jager: Dudley Nourse
watson: Neil Adcock
kingkallis: Matthew Hayden
Valer: Javed Miandad
Monk: Kapil Dev
AndyZaltzHair: Arthur Morris
kyear2: Les Ames
Blakus: Denis Compton
Eds: WG Grace
Himannv: Ken Barrington
MrPrez: Fred Spofforth
Cevno/Marcuss: Alan Knott

R6
Jager: Stan McCabe
kyear2: Ian Bishop
AndyZaltzHair: Graham Gooch
Valer: Bruce Mitchell
Blakus: Wes Hall
MrPrez: Anil Kumble
Monk: Derek Underwood
watson: Bob Simpson
Himannv: Geoff Boycott
kingkallis: Hedley Verity
Cevno/Marcuss: Clive Lloyd
Eds: Colin Croft

R7
Jager: Shane Bond
Eds: Shivnarine Chanderpaul
MrPrez: Vijay Hazare
Himannv: Eddie Paynter
watson: Bill Ponsford
AndyZaltzHair: Peter Pollock
kingkallis: Doug Walters
Valer: George Lohmann
Blakus: Virender Sehwag
kyear2: Alec Bedser
Monk: Ian Chappell
Cevno/Marcuss: Hugh Tayfield

R8
Jager: Graeme Smith
kingkallis: Trevor Goddard
watson: John Waite
Himannv: Hugh Trumble
AndyZaltzHair: Fazal Mahmood
Eds: Maurice Tate
Valer: Mahela Jayawardene
kyear2: Lindsay Hassett
Marcuss: Archie Jackson
Monk: Frank Woolley
Blakus: Clem Hill
MrPrez: Ian Healy

R9
Jager: Matt Prior
Eds: Martin Crowe
AndyZaltzHair: Wilfred Rhodes
watson: Bill Johnston
MrPrez: Bill Woodfull
Blakus: Brian Statham
kyear2: Tony Greig
Monk: Michael Clarke
Valer: Eddie Barlow
kingkallis: Andrew Flintoff
Himannv: Douglas Jardine
Marcuss: -

R10
Jager: Mohammad Yousuf
Valer: Herbie Taylor
watson: Maurice Leyland
Eds: Desmond Haynes
AndyZaltzHair: Denis Lindsay
kingkallis: Jeffrey Dujon
Cevno/Marcuss: -
Monk: Roy Fredericks
Blakus: Stanley Jackson
kyear2: Sid Barnes
Himannv: Conrad Hunte
MrPrez: Herschelle Gibbs

Voodoo: Garfield Sobers, Richard Hadlee, Donald Bradman, Bill O’Reilly, Wasim Akram, Clarrie Grimmett, George Headley, Shaun Pollock, Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, Harold Larwood, Allan Border, Frank Worrell, Aubrey Faulkner, Kumar Sangakkara, Rohan Kanhai, Gordon Greenidge, Peter May, Kevin Pietersen, Ted Dexter, Kumar Ranjitsinhji, Inzamam Ul-Haq, Vijay Merchant, AB de Villiers, Hanif Mohammad

 

[Blakus]

1.Virender Sehwag(8)
2.
3.Clem Hill
4.Denis Compton(7)
5.Stanley Jackson(6)
6.Ian Botham(5)
7.Adam Gilchrist+
8.Richie Benaud*(4)
9.Alan Davidson(1)
10.Wes Hall(2)
11.Brian Statham(3)

 

[Eds]

1. WG Grace
2. Desmond Haynes
3. Clyde Walcott
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Martin Crowe
6. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
7. -
8. Maurice Tate
9. Shane Warne
10. Colin Croft
11. Glenn McGrath

 

[marc71178]

Outsider here but Marcuss/Cevno being right royally screwed over here.

 

[Jager]

Basically, if I understand it. Youre making me pick my round 8 player in round 10 and round 9 in round 11. Which is in no way fair. I missed a few selections and should be entitled to make them as soon as possible, such is the case in any other draft in order to catch up. I effectively made three round 10 picks. 2 of which passed. Yet I'm not allowed them? Makes no sense.

I understand your point here, seems that general consensus is that it's unfair too. Could I give you your third pick and announce it here to resolve the issue around that, and then you send a double selection this round?

I have tried to do the right thing by everyone, sure I might have made a mistake in some people's eyes but I did the exact same thing for MrPrez when he missed a pick and there was no problems there. The only difference is that you missed two rounds instead of one

 

[watson]

Round 11 - Sent

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Sent for Round 11

 

[kyear2]

Great team as usuall Eds

 

[Jarquis]

The big problem with this is that when everyone picks together, it is a fair competition for all because you don't know if your player will be taken and therefore may need to pick differently to ensure you get good players. If you have the privilege of making 'uninhibited' selections (despite making them later than others) then you can easily get any player still available without being challenged for him.

Since there's always selections being made, if you were to make one of these 'invincible' selections whilst someone else selected him at the same time, it would be unfair to knock back the other player and tell them to go pick someone else - the whole concept of the draft is to remove players from the draft pool.

You can get a player in R11, then in R11.2 etc. because they are considered rounds, so it'd not that much of a drawback. In running the draft, I have to make sure it's fair for the majority of people, I can't completely cater for one person just because they timed out (even if it would make things easier for me). 24-hour minimum time periods are double that of a normal draft so it's not like the time constraints are impossible, everyone else has been managing in 6-12 hours easily

Theyre not invincible picks. As can be seen by Hanif Mohammad. The fact is I had to pick one player two rounds late, one player a round late and one on time. But that isn't enough punishment? You're forcing me to wait even longer.
When picking when I did I had three times as much.chance of clashing as anyone else. That's enough risk imo. Couples with the fact that these picks are being picked after better players have already been selected.

Take a consistent approach like earlier in the draft. I had to make a double selection. I clashed with one (the earlier round) so rightfully didn't get that player but I still got Lloyd as he was unchallenged when I repicked.

I didn't even complain about time periods. But now you bring them up, in a normal draft you're expected to be on once in a 12 hour period per round. Not once every 12 hours.

 

[kingkallis]

Great team as usuall

I know, I always assemble a great team. Thanks anyways!

 

[Jager]

24 hour first rounds are reasonable. If I remember correctly, you got Lloyd in a segmented round after the other player (in a 7.2-type situation) but I may be wrong. I thought you were after invincible picks tbh - the way I was doing it was that you could nominate two players for a round and if you got the first one, in the re-picking rounds you'd also get the other.

Anyway, I'll give you Willis and it shall all be sorted.

You'll need to double-pick this round though.

 

[Jager]

I know, I always assemble a great team. Thanks anyways!

another strong team kk. In top form at the moment

 

[Jarquis]

Sutcliffe
-

Jackson
Waugh
Lloyd
Knott
Imran
Tayfield
Willis
Trueman