***Official*** New Zealand in India 2012

[Hurricane]

What's the bigger issue:

Guys (McCullum, Taylor, Williamson) who should be averaging mid-to-high 40s not hitting that mark?

or

Guys (Guptill, Flynn, Brownlee, Watling, keeper, Vettori etc) who should be averaging mid-to-high 30s not hitting that mark?


Obviously both happening would be ideal but would we prefer our stars to be better or our average players to be slighter more impressive?

average players to improve -

 

[straw man]

Maybe Patel's invented the Jeetsra?

Is that the one that turns and bounces?

 

[straw man]

What's the bigger issue:

Guys (McCullum, Taylor, Williamson) who should be averaging mid-to-high 40s not hitting that mark?

or

Guys (Guptill, Flynn, Brownlee, Watling, keeper, Vettori etc) who should be averaging mid-to-high 30s not hitting that mark?


Obviously both happening would be ideal but would we prefer our stars to be better or our average players to be slighter more impressive?

To be pedantic, five players scoring 10-15 more per innings is better than three players scoring 10-15 more per innings. Anyway, it's pretty hypothetical.

Usually I wouldn't care much about a test keeper averaging just 20 with the bat, however if a batsman keeper who scores runs increases the chance that Vettori will bat at 6, then it's more important at the moment.

On keepers I've maintained that any of Young, Van Wyk, Watling and maybe De Boorder (know less about him) would do a decent though not stellar job for NZ if we just pick one and stick with him for a while. Cycling through the keeper options in quick succession is the worst thing we can do. If we're waiting for one to do something amazing (especially with the bat) we're going to be waiting a while, but if we just stick with one of those 4, they'll be a reasonable contributor once they find their feet.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Is that the one that turns and bounces?

Shhhhhhhhh, it's a secret.

 

[Howsie]

People are seriously kidding themselves if they believe Williamson should be averaging somewhere in the mid 40's right now. Darren Bravo is the only batsmen I'm aware of who in his early 20's is managing that, the rest pretty much have numbers that stack up with Williamson's.

 

[Mike5181]

He's still underperformed. I don't think at the age of 22 we should expect the guy to average 45, but I do think with his current skill level he's capable of averaging in the late thirties.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

We're NZers, we're allowed to have ridiculously high expectations of our players despite a clear history of mediocrity.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

He's still underperformed. I don't think at the age of 22 we should expect the guy to average 45, but I do think with his current skill level he's capable of averaging in the late thirties.

but more seriously, this. I guess you could say we're asking for mediocrity instead of ****tiness, which is what we're getting.

 

[BeeGee]

People are seriously kidding themselves if they believe Williamson should be averaging somewhere in the mid 40's right now. Darren Bravo is the only batsmen I'm aware of who in his early 20's is managing that, the rest pretty much have numbers that stack up with Williamson's.

It's a big ask for a young guy, but plenty of batsmen have managed it in the past.
For example, Craig McMillan averaged 46 when he was 22 and I think Williamson has a greater batting potential than McMillan.

 

[Howsie]

It's a big ask for a young guy, but plenty of batsmen have managed it in the past.
For example, Craig McMillan averaged 46 when he was 22 and I think Williamson has a greater batting potential than McMillan.

Don't get me wrong, he's underperformed so far in his test career, not hugely or anything but he should be averaging more than 32 or whatever it is. Even as one of his biggest fans I can admit that. But to expect him to be averaging 45 this early in his career whilst moving up and down a pretty average batting lineup, I don't know. He's our best batsmen (prospect) since Crowe and probably the best we'll see in the next 20-30 years, he'll be fine. We just have to give him a decent amount of time.

 

[Hurricane]

Don't get me wrong, he's underperformed so far in his test career, not hugely or anything but he should be averaging more than 32 or whatever it is. Even as one of his biggest fans I can admit that. But to expect him to be averaging 45 this early in his career whilst moving up and down a pretty average batting lineup, I don't know. He's our best batsmen (prospect) since Crowe and probably the best we'll see in the next 20-30 years, he'll be fine. We just have to give him a decent amount of time.

What age do you think he'll be before he'll get an average of 40 if indeed he should ever get to that mark.

 

[Howsie]

What age do you think he'll be before he'll get an average of 40 if indeed he should ever get to that mark.

Kane Williamson

770 runs @ 32.08 two 100's and four 50's

Ross Taylor after 15 tests:

884 runs @ 32.74 two 100's and four 50's

I pretty much expect him to follow how Taylor's career has gone to date, so his numbers should start heading up pretty soon. While I think Taylor's pretty much topped out (he might bump his average up by a run or two) I expect Williamson will run right past that. Much higher upside and he's already shown in first class cricket that once he get's to 50 he'll usually push on a make a big score.

 

[SteveNZ]

While that's true, Taylor dropped the considerably easier rebound opportunity off the same delivery, so I wouldn't single out KvW too much.

Very hard to grasp that when you're not expecting it off the keeper's gloves. Van Wyk has been very, very average up to the stumps - fortunately for him we don't have a spinner capable of troubling the batsmen, and him.

Kane will produce his best cricket when he's consistently allowed to bat in the same position.

 

[Bahnz]

Very hard to grasp that when you're not expecting it off the keeper's gloves. Van Wyk has been very, very average up to the stumps - fortunately for him we don't have a spinner capable of troubling the batsmen, and him.

True, but that was a very slow and loopy rebound. Even if he wasn't expecting it, Taylor still should've caught it in his sleep.

 

[Jono]

Hey VVS, big fan and all, but gtfo.

Actually, not his fault, he doesn't have to retire. Indian selectors need to grow a pair and not select him in the test team.

 

[SteveNZ]

True, but that was a very slow and loopy rebound. Even if he wasn't expecting it, Taylor still should've caught it in his sleep.

Yeah, you're right. Still doesn't absolve van Wyk. Very average player.

 

[straw man]

Milne in the India T20 and T20 world cup 15-man squad. Should keep the we-want-faaast-bowlerzz crowd happy. They said he impressed in winter development camp - wonder if he's modified his action or anything because it looked extremely straight-up-and-down and not generating any movement from the clips I saw last season.

No other real surprises though with Vettori and NcCullum it's hard to see Hira getting a game.

 

[Kippax]

No, can't say I've ever really looked at Milne and seen a successful international bowler just waiting to burst through. (Zero videos were given that day. Zero ****s may be given about this whole T20 World Cup campaign throughout NZ tbh).

 

[Howsie]

Meh, he probably won't see much action anyway.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Milne in the India T20 and T20 world cup 15-man squad. Should keep the we-want-faaast-bowlerzz crowd happy. They said he impressed in winter development camp - wonder if he's modified his action or anything because it looked extremely straight-up-and-down and not generating any movement from the clips I saw last season.

No other real surprises though with Vettori and NcCullum it's hard to see Hira getting a game.

Indoor nets. Puke.