**Official** South Africa in England 2012

[Jacknife]

The point was that very few of the England players turned down the chance to play in the IPL how is it getting weird, strange comment.

It's clear you don't like they guy and would be happy to see him go, I feel different and hope that this can be sorted out, simple as that.

 

[Jacknife]

Again, we only have KP's word. But the reaction to it from the media doesn't exactly seem to be one of dismissal, and given that they are the only ones who would really know...

Like I posted before Dobell all but confirmed it on that switch hit show.

 

[grecian]

Like I posted before Dobell all but confirmed it on that switch hit show.

Confirmed what, that the ECB was leaking it?

I thought your comment was strange because it wasn't anything to do with people missing Test matches to play, a total non-sequitir in fact.

 

[Jacknife]

Confirmed what, that the ECB was leaking it?

I thought your comment was strange because it wasn't anything to do with people missing Test matches to play, a total non-sequitir in fact.

He said something like, ' He has a point about the leaks, it's very hard in my position to talk too much but I'll leave it to others to decide whether it's his team mates or ECB officials but all I'll say is that on this one he has a point.' like I say not word for word but nearly.

 

[grecian]

He said something like, ' He has a point about the leaks, it's very hard in my position to talk too much but I'll leave it to others to decide whether it's his team mates or ECB officials but all I'll say is that on this one he has a point.' like I say not word for word but nearly.

That pretty much is word for word, and my deduction, because KP hadn't even mentioned the dressing room, was that it came from there.

All silly speculation though, Dobell should put up or shut up. So far the only person having a direct say in this matter is KP.

Look, I get the guy is emotional and not the brightest in the firmament, but how hard is it to say "no comment", in that presser, he's had 100s.

 

[Spikey]

common sense says other players probably wouldn't hear the conversation where KP says he'd like to play a full IPL tournament while talking about his central contract.

I think the whole 'wants to miss test matches for the IPL' thing is overblown, but it's pretty obvious which side of the conversation leaks the chat. I mean, it didn't reflect on KP well did it? And that was the point. And it's pretty obvious why that would piss KP off. He's, to an extent, been betrayed and left out to dry. And yeah you could say KP is trying to betray us or w/ever, but it's just negotiation. Both sides have handled this poorly.

edit oh god why did i post this i'm going bye now

 

[theegyptian]

This has happend at every club KP has played for. ECB can't do any more; Pietersen is as destructive off the field as he is on the field.

It's true that you can get on in a dressing room and sport with a player that isn't well liked/ even hated if they keep to themselves but KP's nature means that eventually these matters will always come to a head and then it becomes imperitive to the dressing room to remove the cancer.

He has to completely shutup or go imo. There will always be some issue that KP has a problem with. It's just a shame he can't move countries for him the same way he moves from domestic teams every 3 or 4 years.

It will be sad not to see KP playing international cricket again because it will deprive the world of a great entertainer (not cricketer) on the international stage and will reduce the quality of an England team but it's obvious that regardless of the talent eventually his personality will alienate and then destroy a dressing room whilst he's there.

 

[Jacknife]

That pretty much is word for word, and my deduction, because KP hadn't even mentioned the dressing room, was that it came from there.

All silly speculation though, Dobell should put up or shut up. So far the only person having a direct say in this matter is KP.

Look, I get the guy is emotional and not the brightest in the firmament, but how hard is it to say "no comment", in that presser, he's had 100s.

Oh I agree, he's like a n excitable child sometimes and he's far too honest for his own good in interviews but on the other hand I always found it refreshing to the media trained robots that we hear most of the time.

Like Spikey alluded to, I reckon KP will know there's no chance he'll be able to miss a test match for the IPL, especially with the relations between ECB and BCCI. It was contract negotiations and it seems his advisers where trying it on a bit, to see how far they can push. Unfortunately this has got out into the public domain, which makes you think where the leak came from because I doubt his team mates would know the details of negotiations and in turn made him look like the bad guy.

 

[G.I.Joe]

KP's probably pissed that he's being made to make more sacrifices than some of the others just because he's good enough to play all formats of the game. But then again, he's retired from T20 and ODIs, so I don't get why he'd still be making a big issue of it now, if that is indeed what he's doing.

 

[grecian]

This has happend at every club KP has played for. ECB can't do any more; Pietersen is as destructive off the field as he is on the field.

It's true that you can get on in a dressing room and sport with a player that isn't well liked/ even hated if they keep to themselves but KP's nature means that eventually these matters will always come to a head and then it becomes imperitive to the dressing room to remove the cancer.

He has to completely shutup or go imo. There will always be some issue that KP has a problem with. It's just a shame he can't move countries for him the same way he moves from domestic teams every 3 or 4 years.

It will be sad not to see KP playing international cricket again because it will deprive the world of a great entertainer (not cricketer) on the international stage and will reduce the quality of an England team but it's obvious that regardless of the talent eventually his personality will alienate and then destroy a dressing room whilst he's there.

Yep the thing that often seems to be forgotten, and it's always the other persons fault. No wonder he gets on so well with Boycott.

 

[Jacknife]

No wonder he gets on so well with Boycott.

I actually didn't know that they did, you'd have thought it would be a right personality clash.

 

[G.I.Joe]

ECB can't do any more

Not sure about that bit. They could have let him retire from ODIs and play T20, for one.

 

[grecian]

I actually didn't know that they did, you'd have thought it would be a right personality clash.

I must admit, I thought they did, but I could be wrong. I know boyks used to speak warmly of him. You'd think some of KPs shots would cause apolexy in the Yorkshire blocker, though.

 

[theegyptian]

Not sure about that bit. They could have let him retire from ODIs and play T20, for one.

Yes they could have let him do that and then he'd want to miss a few test matches and then he'd want he want Flower and Strauss sacked and then to have *** with Mrs Giles Clarke ...

There'd always be some issue.

The problem now isn't the schedule it's Pietersen's attitude and the tensions and hurt it causes in the dressing room.

Strauss got good treatment by the ECB because he is an excellent pro who always did everything by the book and was almost certainly considered in his approach.

KP got himself and the previous coach sacked; talks **** in the media; is disliked by most in the dressing room presumably; and went gungho into negotiations with ridiculous demands.

 

[Viscount Tom]

The ECB got KP and Moores sacked by leaking it to public that he had issues with him back in 2009 therefore making the positions of both untenable.

We've not had any real issues with him since he got sacked up until this year.

Between them KP and the ECB have all the diplomatic skills of a panzer division and much less of the finesse

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yes they could have let him do that and then he'd want to miss a few test matches and then he'd want he want Flower and Strauss sacked and then to have *** with Mrs Giles Clarke ...

There'd always be some issue.

The problem now isn't the schedule it's Pietersen's attitude and the tensions and hurt it causes in the dressing room.

Strauss got good treatment by the ECB because he is an excellent pro who always did everything by the book and was almost certainly considered in his approach.

KP got himself and the previous coach sacked; talks **** in the media; is disliked by most in the dressing room presumably; and went gungho into negotiations with ridiculous demands.

I don't buy the slippery slope argument. If KP is that disruptive a force in the dressing room, why is he still employed by the ECB?

 

[G.I.Joe]

I mean, we've got players Tendulkar and Dhoni (in the past) who have had a history of picking and choosing their Tests, something which KP hasn't done (I assume). Granted the ECB isn't as lax as the BCCI, but they could still have shown some flexibility by letting their star player retire from the one format he doesn't care for. Give him the boot if he then decides to try their limits by asking for a few Tests off.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Thing with KP is...if he just said the **** with it, I'm going to do what serves my best interests, then regardless of how unedifying it might appear to external observers, it would still be a guy doing his thing. Selfish as it may seem, you have to respect it. But the coyness gives off this blackmailing vibe, and it's like he's testing his relationship with the board to have his way. And that smacks of a bit of a preening, precious little ****. I think England would be better off without him. And the biggest pointer to that is the fact that this bull**** drama has all but sealed their chances of drawing this series. Don't see how they're going to rally around this jerk and put their best foot forward in such a crunch game.

 

[theegyptian]

I don't buy the slippery slope argument. If KP is that disruptive a force in the dressing room, why is he still employed by the ECB?

because he is a ridiculously talented and has done well for England in the past and upto now has got on with his job reasonably quietly and even though he probably wasn't overly liked by the dressing room they respected his ability. but there has to be some point at which everybody tires of his antics as they did at Notts, Hampshire etc.

 

[theegyptian]

I mean, we've got players Tendulkar and Dhoni (in the past) who have had a history of picking and choosing their Tests, something which KP hasn't done (I assume). Granted the ECB isn't as lax as the BCCI, but they could still have shown some flexibility by letting their star player retire from the one format he doesn't care for. Give him the boot if he then decides to try their limits by asking for a few Tests off.

1. Dhoni and Tendulkar aren't massive primadonas and they haven't done things to piss off the board of other players.

and

2. They make a lot of money for the BCCI. Much more than KP will make for England.

I don't particularly agree with the way Tendulkar picks and chooses series now but to some extent he is an absolute great and can do what he wants. KP is no great. Dhoni seems to work in conjunction with the board to decide which series' he is rested for rather than KP making demands of the board.