Quick World ATG XI draft- No Bradman

[kyear2]

Posting from my phone at work. My apologies.

 

[watson]

OK, that makes perfect sense. But now I'm wondering about Vivian, Is it Vuvian or Vuvuaan Ruchids?

 

[Red]

OK, that makes perfect sense. But now I'm wondering about Vivian, Is it Vuvian or Vuvuaan Ruchids?

Vuv-eee- un

Rucheds

 

[Jarquis]

Abbot's XI

1.
2.
3. Neil Harvey
4. Wally Hammond
5.
6. Les Ames
7. Kapil Dev
8. Richard Hadlee
9. Allan Donald
10.
11. Bill O'Reilly

Needn't pick another bowler IMO. Hammond an adequate 5th option.

 

[zaremba]

Agreed. What what a player. Avatar refers.

 

[Jarquis]

One of my all time favourites

 

[Red]

rvd is up...

 

[Dan]

rvd is up...

Sorry, timezone playing against me there. KK picked just after I went to sleep, by the looks of things.

Will pick in 5.

I'll take Clive Rice, as long as he's acceptable.

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Barry Richards
3. Charlie Macartney
4. Javed Miandad
5. -
6. -
7. Clive Rice
8. -
9. Ray Lindwall
10. Harold Larwood
11. Muttiah Muralitharan

 

[Red]

Clive Rice is good, only three tests but decent FC stats.

I'll take Kumar Sangakkara.

Great pick up this late, very happy with that middle order. Openers a slight concern, but it'll be right!

Abbot's XI
1.
2.
3. Kumar Sangakkara
4. Wally Hammond
5. Neil Harvey
6.
7. Les Ames
8. Kapil Dev
9. Richard Hadlee
10. Allan Donald
11. Bill O'Reilly

 

[Red]

Round 1

Himannv- Garry Sobers

Jager- Keith Miller

smalishah84- Imran Khan

zaremba- Malcolm Marshall

Monk- Richard Hadlee

rvd619323- Jack Hobbs

kingkallis- Shane Warne

watson- Glenn McGrath

kyear- Viv Richards

Round 2

kyear- Dennis Lillee

watson- Curtly Ambrose

kingkallis- Adam Gilchrist

rvd619323- Muralitharan

Monk- Wally Hammond

zaremba- Jaques Kallis

smalishah84- Sachin Tendulkar

Jager- Brian Lara

Himannv- Sydney Barnes

Round 3

Himannv- Alan Davidson

Jager- Waqar Younis

smalishah84- Joel Garner

zaremba- Len Hutton

Monk- Bill O'Reilly

rvd619323- Barry Richards

kingkallis- Fred Trueman

watson- Wasim Akram

kyear- Graeme Pollock

Round 4

kyear- Micheal Holding

watson- Greg Chappell

kingkallis- Ian Botham

rvd19323- Ray Lindwall

Monk- Allan Donald

zaremba- Mike Procter

smalishah84- Aubrey Faulkner

Jager- Herbert Sutcliffe

Himmanv- George Headley

Round 5

Himannv- Shaun Pollock

Jager- Clarrie Grimmett

smalishah84- Allan Knott

zaremba- Ricky Ponting

Monk- Les Ames

rvd619323- Javed Miandad

kingkallis- Sunil Gavaskar

watson- Steve Waugh

kyear- Jim Laker

Round 6

kyear- Bruce Mitchell

watson- Richie Benaud

kingkallis- Allan Border

rvd619323- Harold Larwood

Monk- Neil Harvey

zaremba- Wilfred Rhodes

smalishah84- Matthew Hayden

Jager- Andy Roberts

Himannv- Ken Barrington


Round 7

Himannv- Dale Steyn

Jager- Rahul Dravid

smalishah84- Hanif Mohammed

zaremba- Matt Prior

Monk- Kapil Dev

rvd619323- Charlie McCartney

kingkallis- Gordon Greenidge

watson- Bob Simpson

kyear- Frank Worrell

Round 8

kyear- Arthur Morris

watson- Clyde Walcott

kingkallis- Dennis Compton

rvd619323- Clive Rice

Monk- Kumar Sangakkara

zaremba

smalishah84

Jager

Himannv


Round 9

Himannv

Jager

smalishah84

zaremba

Monk

rvd619323

kingkallis

watson

kyear

 

[watson]

Sorry, timezone playing against me there. KK picked just after I went to sleep, by the looks of things.

Will pick in 5.

I'll take Clive Rice, as long as he's acceptable.

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Barry Richards
3. Charlie Macartney
4. Javed Miandad
5. -
6. -
7. Clive Rice
8. -
9. Ray Lindwall
10. Harold Larwood
11. Muttiah Muralitharan

This is quite a balanced attack now - 2 really-quicks, 1 fast-medium, 1 off-spinner, and a reasonably competent left-arm orthodox.

 

[Dan]

This is quite a balanced attack now - 2 really-quicks, 1 fast-medium, 1 off-spinner, and a reasonably competent left-arm orthodox.

Yeah, very happy with the way its shaping up.
Might try and pick up another batsman who can bowl for the number 6 slot, I want to let Macartney focus entirely on his batting

 

[watson]

Clive Rice is good, only three tests but decent FC stats.

I'll take Kumar Sangakkara.

Great pick up this lat, very happy with that middle order. Openers a slight concern, but it'll be right!

Abbot's XI
1.
2.
3. Kumar Sangakkara
4. Wally Hammond
5. Neil Harvey
6.
7. Les Ames
8. Kapil Dev
9. Richard Hadlee
10. Allan Donald
11. Bill O'Reilly

Sangakkara seems a good pick-up as there seems to be a relative lack of top-notch No.3 batsman who average 50. When I picked Greg Chappell I assumed he'd fit OK into the role, but in fact most of his runs were scored at No.4 and his average at No.3 is significantly lower (43.4). Hence, I had to go looking for a more natural first drop.

On the other-hand there happen to be sqillions of 4s and 5s who average 50. Not sure why, but I guess it could be that incumbant No.3 batsman either occupy the spot for many years (eg Hammond, Bradman, Headley, Richards) or burn out quickly because it's a difficult spot that requires both the technical skill of an opener and the improvisation of the lower order.

 

[Red]

Sangakkara seems a good pick-up as there seems to be a relative lack of top-notch No.3 batsman who average 50. When I picked Greg Chappell I assumed he'd fit OK into the role, but in fact most of his runs were scored at No.4 and his average at No.3 is significantly lower (43.4). Hence, I had to go looking for a more natural first drop.

On the other-hand there happen to be sqillions of 4s and 5s who average 50. Not sure why, but I guess it could be that incumbant No.3 batsman either occupy the spot for many years (eg Hammond, Bradman, Headley, Richards) or burn out quickly because it's a difficult spot that requires both the technical skill of an opener and the improvisation of the lower order.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Australia has had very durable, and very good number 3s for ever.

 

[watson]

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Australia has had very durable, and very good number 3s for ever.

Thanks Monk.

It's a long list for sure but can you really count the likes of Jones, Yallop, McCosker or Katich as ATGs? (Jones comes pretty close though in my opinion). Players with less than half a dozen matches at No.3 don't really count much either.

This leaves Ponting, Bradman, Ian Chappell, Harvey, McCartney, Hassett, and McCabe on the 'essentials' list.

I did consider Ian Chappell as my No.3, but discounted him as his overall average isn't quite high enough. McCabe on the other hand would be every bit as good as Walcott, if not better, at number 3 who averages about 52 in that position. In a way I'm disappointed that I didn't chose McCabe as my No.3 because he was quite clearly Australia's best batsman in the 1930s after Bradman. Nice to have one of the Ws just the same though.

Hassett's average surprised me. Although I should have known better as Jager is a fan. On that note I was surprised that Jager ended up going for Dravid at first drop. Any momentum gained by the openers would simply fall in a heap once Dravid walked to the crease. In my opinion Dravid is more use lower down the order (like Steve Waugh) where he can stiffin the tail or put a halt to a collapse.

But I crap on......

 

[Jager]

I think there's something seriously flawed in looking at positional averages. Also, Dravid would hold the team together, just as he did for India throughout his career. You simply can't have a bunch of players who all thrash the ball around, there is no balance in that.

 

[zaremba]

Archie Jackson

 

[Red]

Thanks Monk.

It's a long list for sure but can you really count the likes of Jones, Yallop, McCosker or Katich as ATGs? (Jones comes pretty close though in my opinion). Players with less than half a dozen matches at No.3 don't really count much either.

This leaves Ponting, Bradman, Ian Chappell, Harvey, McCartney, Hassett, and McCabe on the 'essentials' list.

I did consider Ian Chappell as my No.3, but discounted him as his overall average isn't quite high enough. McCabe on the other hand would be every bit as good as Walcott, if not better, at number 3 who averages about 52 in that position. In a way I'm disappointed that I didn't chose McCabe as my No.3 because he was quite clearly Australia's best batsman in the 1930s after Bradman. Nice to have one of the Ws just the same though.

Hassett's average surprised me. Although I should have known better as Jager is a fan. On that note I was surprised that Jager ended up going for Dravid at first drop. Any momentum gained by the openers would simply fall in a heap once Dravid walked to the crease. In my opinion Dravid is more use lower down the order (like Steve Waugh) where he can stiffin the tail or put a halt to a collapse.

But I crap on......

The ones you listed probably spent more time there than the others combined. That was meant to be my point.

Hassett was a very stylish batsman. A bit of a forgotten man.

Ian Chappell is still under consideration for me...

 

[Dan]

Archie Jackson

Damn..

EDIT: ...and now the wait for Smali.

 

[watson]

I think there's something seriously flawed in looking at positional averages. Also, Dravid would hold the team together, just as he did for India throughout his career. You simply can't have a bunch of players who all thrash the ball around, there is no balance in that.

No one has ever suggested that 6 Chris Gayles should be selected in the top order. However, the No.3 batsman tends to set the tempo of the team's innings. If the openers fail then he has to be solid, stabilise the batting order, and then 'counter punch'. Or if the openers put on a good stand then then No.3 batsman needs to take the game away from the opposition bowlers by scoring quickly. These characteristics require a batman with 'attitide' and a wide range of strokes. Not someone who can just hang in there and play straight.

India's innings seem to lack direction and impetus if Sehwag goes early.