The ATG World XI's game

[Jager]

Nuf, they were the ones not including longevity, and sure, I'll finish up here and then it's all yours for the last one

Clear winners here though, my votes would have gone to Johnston, Asif and Lock/Trumble, but would have sided with Swann over Macgill.

Hughes: 2
Johnston: 8
McDermott: 3
Reid: 1
Asif: 1
De Villiers: 1
Cowie: 6
Alderman: 3
Ntini: 2
Daniel: 1
Anderson: 3
Srinath: 1

Swann: 4
Trumble: 2
Al-Hasan: 1
Gupte: 1
Macgill: 3
Vettori: 2
Lock: 1
Chandrasekhar: 1
Ironmonger: 1

World N XI
1.
2.
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Graham Thorpe
5. Michael Clarke
6.
7.
8. Graeme Swann
9. Jack Blackham+
10. Jack Cowie
11. Bill Johnston

 

[Jager]

*IMPORTANT* Please number your selections so I can place them in the right category.

1. Select your preferred openers.
2. Select your preferred fourth bowler.
3. Select either a batsman at six, an all-rounder or a fifth bowler.

Suggested openers
Dennis Amiss, Michael Atherton, Charles Bannerman, Bill Brown, Alastair Cook, Stewie Dempster, John Edrich, Gautam Gambhir, Herschelle Gibbs, Sanath Jayasuriya, Justin Langer, Archie McLaren, Mark Richardson, Navjot Sidhu, Michael Slater, Andrew Strauss, Herbie Taylor, Mark Taylor, Marcus Trescothick, Glenn Turner, Michael Vaughan, Cyril Washbrook

Suggested middle order batsman and a few all-rounders
Mohinder Amarnath, Hashim Amla, Mohammad Azharuddin, Ian Bell, Colin Bland, Learie Constantine, Daryl Cullinan, Aravinda de Silva, Kumar Duleepsinhji, Sourav Ganguly, Tom Graveney, Michael Hussey, Douglas Jardine, Alvin Kallicharan, Younus Khan, Maurice Leyland, Saleem Malik, Damien Martyn, Mushtaq Mohammad, Seymour Nourse, Norman O'Neill, Lawrence Rowe, Thilan Samaraweera, Arthur Shrewsbury, Robin Smith, Herbie Taylor, Dilip Vengsarkar, Gundappa Viswanath, Mark Waugh, Frank Woolley

Suggested pace bowlers
Mohammad Asif, Terry Alderman, James Anderson, Bill Bowes, Stuart Broad, Andy Caddick, Wayne Daniel, Fanie de Villiers, Darren Gough, Jack Gregory, Charlie Griffith, Ken Higgs, Merv Hughes, Zaheer Khan, Craig McDermott, Garth McKenzie, Sarfraz Nawaz, Makhaya Ntini, Vernon Philander, Bruce Reid, Javagal Srinath, Heath Streak, Ernie Toshack, Chaminda Vaas

Suggested Spinners
Saeed Ajmal, Shakib Al-Hasan, Bishan Bedi, Charlie Blythe, Bhajwath Chandrasekhar, Subhash Gupte, Tony Lock, Stuart MacGill, Vinoo Mankad, Saqlain Mushtaq, Bobby Peel, Erapalli Prasanna, Abdul Qadir, Iqbal Qasim, Sonny Ramadhin, Harbajhan Singh, Hugh Trumble, Alf Valentine, Daniel Vettori

 

[Noble One]

1.
Michael Slater
Alastair Cook

2.
Heath Streak

3.
Mark Waugh

 

[NUFAN]

Can Jack Gregory be added to the bowlers

1. Select your preferred openers. = Michael Slater and Cyril Washbrook
2. Select your preferred fourth bowler. = Jack Gregory
3. Select either a batsman at six, an all-rounder or a fifth bowler.. = Frank Woolley

 

[vic_orthdox]

Hmm, wishing I vouched for Vinoo Mankad as the sole spinner here, would allow me to choose the fourth bowler as an out and out pace bowler, but I can't visage a side with Swann at 7. Thus, my selections are as follows.

Openers
Justin Langer
Glenn Turner

Middle Order Batsman
Brian McMillan

Fourth Bowler
Vinoo Mankad

So that leaves us with three quicks and two spinners, solid batting down to 7 with Swann a good number 8.

 

[Jager]

Blackham's also a quality 9, he played back in the days where pitches were uncovered and could end up with ridges in them.

 

[NUFAN]

Blackham should bat ahead of Swann IMO. He is described as a stubborn batsman so would probably be more useful getting some time to bat while Swann is a naturally attacking batsman.

I don't like my chances but 6. Woolley 7 Gregory 8 Blackham 9 Swann is a reasonably exciting middle to late order.

I actually can't get over the fact that Swann is rated ahead of all of the great Indian spinners from the past. Its funny India are known for their spinners, but only 1 spinner (Kumble) who has made it so far. I think its largely due to the fact that its difficult to judge the pecking order of these spinners. By all reports though, several of them were very classy, dangerous bowlers, 29-30 averages just don't look quite so good.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Yeah, it's difficult to separate them. I really haven't read enough about them to get into who I would rate over the others, with a natural bias for Bedi as a left arm orthodox!

I know the Australians of the time really rated Prasanna, and although earlier, Gupte was revered by Sobers and many others.

 

[Jager]

Can Jack Gregory be added to the bowlers

Done.

Also, agreed that it's strange that Swann is rated higher than the Indian greats, especially Gupte and Chandrasekhar, but he definitely hasn't had much assistance from the conditions he's bowled in and still has a fantastic record, plus he can bat. Trumble is another great that has been overlooked too.

 

[Red]

*IMPORTANT* Please number your selections so I can place them in the right category.

1. Select your preferred openers.
2. Select your preferred fourth bowler.
3. Select either a batsman at six, an all-rounder or a fifth bowler.

Suggested openers
Dennis Amiss, Michael Atherton, Charles Bannerman, Bill Brown, Alastair Cook, Stewie Dempster, John Edrich, Gautam Gambhir, Herschelle Gibbs, Sanath Jayasuriya, Justin Langer, Archie McLaren, Mark Richardson, Michael Slater, Navjot Sidhu, Michael Slater, Alec Stewart, Andrew Strauss, Herbie Taylor, Mark Taylor, Marcus Trescothick, Glenn Turner, Michael Vaughan, Cyril Washbrook

Suggested middle order batsman and a few all-rounders
Mohinder Amarnath, Hashim Amla, Mohammad Azharuddin, Ian Bell, Colin Bland, Learie Constantine, Daryl Cullinan, Aravinda de Silva, Kumar Duleepsinhji, Sourav Ganguly, Tom Graveney, Michael Hussey, Douglas Jardine, Alvin Kallicharan, Younus Khan, Maurice Leyland, Saleem Malik, Damien Martyn, Mushtaq Mohammad, Seymour Nourse, Norman O'Neill, Lawrence Rowe, Thilan Samaraweera, Arthur Shrewsbury, Robin Smith, Herbie Taylor, Dilip Vengsarkar, Gundappa Viswanath, Mark Waugh, Frank Woolley

Suggested pace bowlers
Mohammad Asif, Terry Alderman, James Anderson, Bill Bowes, Stuart Broad, Andy Caddick, Wayne Daniel, Fanie de Villiers, Darren Gough, Jack Gregory, Charlie Griffith, Ken Higgs, Merv Hughes, Zaheer Khan, Craig McDermott, Garth McKenzie, Sarfraz Nawaz, Makhaya Ntini, Vernon Philander, Bruce Reid, Javagal Srinath, Heath Streak, Ernie Toshack, Chaminda Vaas

Suggested Spinners
Saeed Ajmal, Shakib Al-Hasan, Bishan Bedi, Charlie Blythe, Bhajwath Chandrasekhar, Subhash Gupte, Tony Lock, Stuart MacGill, Vinoo Mankad, Saqlain Mushtaq, Bobby Peel, Erapalli Prasanna, Abdul Qadir, Iqbal Qasim, Sonny Ramadhin, Harbajhan Singh, Hugh Trumble, Alf Valentine, Daniel Vettori

1. Mark Taylor and Alec Stewart

2. Terry Alderman

3. Mark Waugh

 

[marc71178]

Langer, Edrich

Anderson

Waugh

 

[vic_orthdox]

Haha, been championing Waugh for a while, and now that I jump off he's going to get in.

 

[Camo999]

Openers: G Turner / M Taylor

4th bowler: L Constantine (could also bat at no 7)

no 6 batsman: A De Silva

 

[Blakus]

Glenn Turner and Michael Slater for the openers

Frank Woolley to bat at 6
Monty Noble to be right behind him at 7

Really hope Noble gets selected at some point. I rate him only behind Miller for Australian allrounders.

 

[Dan]

1. Archie McLaren and Michael Slater to open.
2. Shakib al-Hasan as the fourth bowler/all rounder.
3. Monty Noble to bat at 6 and bowl.

Shakib's record is impressive in its own right, let alone when you add in that he's playing for the weakest Test side.

I think you could almost count the votes for 2 & 3 together, and select the top two. Discretion to be used if we end up with Alderman and Cowie (or something) selected.

With the balance of the team, 6 and 7 both have to be All Rounders/batsmen who can bowl IMO.

 

[kyear2]

Alastair Cook
Mark Taylor

Mark Taylor

Craig Mcdermott

 

[morgieb]

1. Langer, Cook
2. Gregory (good bowling all-rounder, will bolster a weak tail)
3. Waugh

 

[weldone]

1. Herbie Taylor, Justin Langer
2. Makhaya Ntini
3. Younis Khan

 

[Jager]

Alastair Cook
Mark Taylor

Mark Taylor

Craig Mcdermott

Two Tubs? I am going to assume you mean Mark Waugh, correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Jager]

1. Mark Taylor and Alec Stewart

2. Terry Alderman

3. Mark Waugh

Stewart's already been selected, my bad. Select again if you want.