Saker rates attack as good as great Australians

[Furball]

Ah, getting my maths messed up a bit. Be around 87 I'd guess.

EDIT: yeah basically 87. He probably gets up and around it, but it's like saying that Steyn is a 150km/h bowler. They touch those heights rarely, and operate mainly in a bracket below that.

Reckon Anderson could easily bowl that fast if he wanted to tbh.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I think if you wanted to be picky then what Saker said is technically correct as the Aussies had 2 of the top 5 pacemen and 1 of the best 2 spinners in the world in their attack and currently England have the same. Shows the lack of depth worldwide though that Swann is one of the best spinners around at present.

 

[vic_orthdox]

And Shane Warne could bowl at 115km/h, but he wouldn't have had a successful career doing it.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

The Australian batting was a great line-up but against the current English attack in England I reckon they would not make 300.

 

[GIMH]

Yes but when he retires, he will be judged on his overall stats and not on the good run he has had in the last few years.

Says who?

90% of cricket fans recognise Viv Richards as a great in spite of his 'medicore' overall average. Whilst I'm not saying Jimmeh is quite a bowling Viv, this shows you that as a species we're not as number-blinded as people round here might like to think.

Anyone who followed Anderson's career will talk down youngsters in the future who claim he was nothing special because of his overall average of 28 or whatever he finishes on.

 

[Ruckus]

The Australian batting was a great line-up but against the current English attack in England I reckon they would not make 300.

Err the Windies just passed 300 twice in the first two test matches of this series...

 

[Agent Nationaux]

In that case Waqar is the greatest fast bowler ever and not Marshall.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Err the Windies just passed 300 twice in the first two test matches of this series...

Had some pretty flat tracks, doubt you would get many of those in England.

 

[Ruckus]

I think more to the point is if England's improved bowling line up would falter or not against the likes of Ponting and Gilchrist at their peaks.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I think more to the point is if England's improved bowling line up would falter or not against the likes of Ponting and Gilchrist at their peaks.

Well they both failed in 05 against a lesser attack at their peaks.

 

[Ruckus]

So in conclusion they are **** batsmen.

 

[Spark]

Again, I don't care about Anderson's overall stats. It's what he is now. We can all be more analytical than dialing up Cricinfo's numbers

Sorry, what? You're rating ATG based on three years of results?

 

[GIMH]

In that case Waqar is the greatest fast bowler ever and not Marshall.

Things I said: it's fair to rate a player very highly if they were a total gun for, say, half their career after a difficult start/before a decline

Things I didn't say: being gun for three years is better than being gun for eight

Take your scarecrow and leave. Thanks.

 

[Jacknife]

Things I said: it's fair to rate a player very highly if they were a total gun for, say, half their career after a difficult start/before a decline

Things I didn't say: being gun for three years is better than being fun for eight

Take your scarecrow and leave. Thanks.

 

[Ruckus]

Sorry, what? You're rating ATG based on three years of results?

I don't think he is yet, or at least I hope he isn't cause that is just so ridiculous. Even if you wanted to be bit more lax on how you determine an ATG, he'd still need to bowl as well as he has, but probably even better*, for the next 4 years or more. That is such a ludicrous requirement that it makes no sense even to consider at this stage.

*averaging 25 for the past two years is good, but it is by no means amazing or worthy of ATG status or anything. Will probably have to have a fair more 2010's to enter into that territory.

 

[Ruckus]

Ben Hilfenhaus:

Average for past two years () = 21.065

Can swing ball both ways at 140 km/h.

ATG

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Things I said: it's fair to rate a player very highly if they were a total gun for, say, half their career after a difficult start/before a decline

Things I didn't say: being gun for three years is better than being gun for eight

Take your scarecrow and leave. Thanks.

Waqar had a peak for 5 years and not 3. And his peak is unmatched by any other bowler.

And anyway, I was just pointing out that most people look at overall figures. It will be the same for Anderson. He is only being rated highly because we have all followed his career. 20-30 years down the line, unless he gets his average below 25, he won't be considered ATG.

 

[kyear2]

Excellent analysis. Batsmen and bowlers are, fairly or not rated differently, when it comes to stats. As a bowler one looks at your entire career, so while a Sir Vivian get a pass as far as stats go, bowlers are defined by them, and an average of 30 just doesn't cut it.

 

[benchmark00]

lol love how the new thing is to label everything a 'straw man' (worst expression of all time) everytime it contradicts your opinion on something. Horrible.

 

[GIMH]

lol love how the new thing is to label everything a 'straw man' (worst expression of all time) everytime it contradicts your opinion on something. Horrible.

No I use it when people argue with things I didn't say.

It's not hard, do try and keep up.