**Official** West Indies in England 2012

[Cabinet96]

Pretty sure I was on the record saying that H00ssey is a 50 run averaging player at best when he was batting at 80 itbt.

That's still the average of a top player. All your saying when you say he's a 50 run averaging player is that he's great but not as good as Bradman.

 

[social]

Bloke's played twelve tests and we've won twelve of them. In the last two he's contributed the square root of Fanny Adams, but we've still emerged victorious coming off four arseholings on the bounce.

So I vote "no".

Just watching the highlights on 5. Kemar's a genuine talent, but the boy does enjoy a no-ball, doesn't he? Will cost him a wicket one of these days.

Cook and Bell batted extremely well today but the Windies just gave them too many easy runs

Sides with talent AND experience would've strangled them and drawn it out to the death

 

[Agent Nationaux]

No it's not stupid at all. Anyone with something even remotely resembling common sense, which I admit is not very common, especially around these parts, could figure out that AN was saying that someones true average is the average which best represents their ability. But wah wah someone doesn't rate a player that plays for my team so it must be a stupid post.

I'm sure a lot of English fans consider Broad and Anderson to be under 25 players.

 

[benchmark00]

That's still the average of a top player. All your saying when you say he's a 50 run averaging player is that he's great but not as good as Bradman.

Yeah exactly, no doubt. All I was saying at the time is that Hussey is not an 80's averaging player, just like AN was saying Bresnan is not as good as his stats indicate. Can't comprehend how some posters, and I use the word poster loosely, can't see that, but instead want to try and pick little holes even though it was obvious what AN meant.

 

[benchmark00]

I'm sure a lot of English fans consider Broad and Anderson to be under 25 players.

Some of the English fans have their heads so far up their arses that they can only comment on how much their colons average tbf. Cabinet, Brumbeh, Tangy and co aside.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Cook and Bell batted extremely well today but the Windies just gave them too many easy runs

Sides with talent AND experience would've strangled them and drawn it out to the death

Bowling Samuels (reportedly to speed up the over rate) has shades of Ponting in Nagpur about it too.

 

[benchmark00]

Bowling Samuels (reportedly to speed up the over rate) has shades of Ponting in Nagpur about it too.

I didn't get to see the game. How many runs were needed when Samuels was put on to rush through the overs?

 

[BoyBrumby]

I didn't get to see the game. How many runs were needed when Samuels was put on to rush through the overs?

We were 100-ish for four, still a good eighty-odd needed.

I mean, one could make a case bowling a spinner (however nominal that assignation is) on a fifth day pitch isn't a bad call, but Samuels is pretty bloody ordinary.

Surely you'd be rotating Roach, Edwards & The Angel until the jig was properly up?

 

[Cabinet96]

I didn't get to see the game. How many runs were needed when Samuels was put on to rush through the overs?

About 90. Although I guess you could argue he was worth a try for a few before lunch. Bowling him straight after lunch, after he was ineffective earlier was definitely strange though.

 

[benchmark00]

We were 100-ish for four, still a good eighty-odd needed.

I mean, one could make a case bowling a spinner (however nominal that assignation is) on a fifth day pitch isn't a bad call, but Samuels is pretty bloody ordinary.

Surely you'd be rotating Roach, Edwards & The Angel until the jig was properly up?

No doubt.

Good to see Samuels has cleaned up his action though

 

[Cabinet96]

I wonder if Sammy somewhat felt the consequences of being slightly poor in the first innings when Strauss and Trott eased along on a cold grey day.

 

[BoyBrumby]

No doubt.

Good to see Samuels has cleaned up his action though

Ha. Laker reborn, he is*.

*Compared to certain other contemporary offspinners

 

[Manee]

Bloke's played twelve tests and we've won twelve of them. In the last two he's contributed the square root of Fanny Adams, but we've still emerged victorious coming off four arseholings on the bounce.

So I vote "no".

But like, it is not a stupid thing to ask, right? England have people literally banging the door down. Finn and Onions are both quick, doing well at Division One county cricket, have good but short Test records and the fact Swann/Broad can bat devalues Bresnan's batting a bit.

I'm quite a conservative person so I lean towards no. However, England need to take seriously that a pretty poor batting line up took them near to the wire. I know a five wicket win is hardly a one run/wicket win (tautology, yay) but it isn't crazy to suppose a better spell from Edwards or Gabriel may have taken the game to the crunch.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I wonder if Sammy somewhat felt the consequences of being slightly poor in the first innings when Strauss and Trott eased along on a cold grey day.

It's the sort of performance from the skipper that adds a bit of weight to the idea he's not quite there as a test player. He's a nearly good enough bowler, a fair-ish #8 & a patently decent bloke (not sold on his actual captaincy, as it goes), but I think for him to be guaranteed a start in every test hamstrings the Windies.

Shillingford will probably come in (although, tbh, Trent Bridge is a swinging ground), so that means one of Edwards or Gabriel will probably miss out. There's a case for dumping Edwards who looks down on pace and slightly underdone generally, but Sammy should at least be a part of the discussion too.

 

[BoyBrumby]

But like, it is not a stupid thing to ask, right? England have people literally banging the door down. Finn and Onions are both quick, doing well at Division One county cricket, have good but short Test records and the fact Swann/Broad can bat devalues Bresnan's batting a bit.

I'm quite a conservative person so I lean towards no. However, England need to take seriously that a pretty poor batting line up took them near to the wire. I know a five wicket win is hardly a one run/wicket win (tautology, yay) but it isn't crazy to suppose a better spell from Edwards or Gabriel may have taken the game to the crunch.

Yeah, sorry. My reply probably sounded more ****-ish than I meant it too.

I suppose I should've said I'm happy for him to continue in his glorified rabbit's foot role for now.

 

[Cabinet96]

But like, it is not a stupid thing to ask, right? England have people literally banging the door down. Finn and Onions are both quick, doing well at Division One county cricket, have good but short Test records and the fact Swann/Broad can bat devalues Bresnan's batting a bit.

I'm quite a conservative person so I lean towards no. However, England need to take seriously that a pretty poor batting line up took them near to the wire. I know a five wicket win is hardly a one run/wicket win (tautology, yay) but it isn't crazy to suppose a better spell from Edwards or Gabriel may have taken the game to the crunch.

It's certainly not a stupid thing to ask, there are after all lots of replacements who I'm sure will do a fine job. But I'd go with no. Bresnan obviously didn't have a great test, but I though he perhaps bowled better than his figures suggested. He hardly leaked runs for instance, and while Broad was getting wickets it meant that that was all that England needed from him. He's performed superbly well for England in tests though, the Ashes and India series the highlight. I try to shy away from the, "played 12 won 12", argument, because I feel it slightly undermines his performances, especially when he's called a, "lucky charm". But if you look at his record with bat and ball he's done very well.

I don't really think Broad and Swann's batting makes his less valuable, because I fell he's quite a bit better than them. Flower said in Sri Lanka that England lacked an all-rounder of Flintoff's class but claimed Bresnan, "was getting there", which to me indicates that Flower and England are trying to further improve Bresnan's batting which would lead to the ability to play 5 bowlers, something they may consider in India. For that reason I think it's unlikely that England will replace him in this series, as I think they believe he could be crucial in India. I feel that way too.

 

[Cabinet96]

It's the sort of performance from the skipper that adds a bit of weight to the idea he's not quite there as a test player. He's a nearly good enough bowler, a fair-ish #8 & a patently decent bloke (not sold on his actual captaincy, as it goes), but I think for him to be guaranteed a start in every test hamstrings the Windies.

Shillingford will probably come in (although, tbh, Trent Bridge is a swinging ground), so that means one of Edwards or Gabriel will probably miss out. There's a case for dumping Edwards who looks down on pace and slightly underdone generally, but Sammy should at least be a part of the discussion too.

I think West Indies will be hoping that Rampaul is fit for Trent Bridge, as he's arguably their best exponent of swing. I can see him and Shillingford coming in for the next test to partner Roach and Sammy.

 

[Manee]

I think West Indies will be hoping that Rampaul is fit for Trent Bridge, as he's arguably their best exponent of swing. I can see him and Shillingford coming in for the next test to partner Roach and Sammy.

'Stiff neck' sort of implies that he'll be full pace and fitness once the injury is healed. Its not like a shoulder injury where he'll have to work back into things. Unless I've misread Rampaul's action and all the pace comes from the neck.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Fkin hell, this is why the rest of the sporting world hate the English - some of their fans are horrible in victory and defeat

WI are one of the lowest ranked teams in world cricket and gave England a good game despite zero preparation, losing the toss, shocking selection and missing 3 or 4 of their best players

Cant wait for the Saffies to arrive so you can start whinging about how crap your team is again

What?

A 5 wicket win with one being the nightwatchman and one being taken when you needed 1 to win is comfortable is it not?

To think we may win next week at Trent Bridge is not over the top is it seeing as we have won our last 5 tests at home, Anderson has 23 wickets in his last 3 TB tests and it is Broad and Swann's home ground.

No more or less arrogant than any Australian when they were ranked number 1 playing a lowly ranked side at home.

 

[benchmark00]

Wasn't looking that comfortable at 4/50.