CW All-Time XI

[Jager]

Kallis' slip fielding is definitely better than Warne's was. It's hard to determine the difference between a good cordon and a godly cordon seeing as there are no guidelines for what a 'good' cordon is. Do they take all the easy chances but grass the very difficult ones?

 

[Valer]

One thing that hasn't been mention is that good slippers not only fail less (missed chances), but also have a larger range and hence increase the amount of area covered by the slips (creating chances).

 

[smash84]

Warne's slip fielding is overrated. Kallis is a better slips fielder quite easily in my eyes.

Also while agreeing with the majority of what Vic is saying, perhaps the fact that smali has presumably watched most of his cricket in the sub-cont he considers other fielding positions such as bat pad, or silly mid on just as vital as the slips as they get good number of chances.

Therefore, Smali, may rightfully (IMO) consider David Boon one of the best fielders of all time.

awta

The man in your avatar > Warne of course (close in fielding only )

Kallis' slip fielding is definitely better than Warne's was. It's hard to determine the difference between a good cordon and a godly cordon seeing as there are no guidelines for what a 'good' cordon is. Do they take all the easy chances but grass the very difficult ones?

yeah that is what I am trying to think as well.

Which is why i tried to come up with a scale of rating which was shot down

 

[kyear2]

Like wicketkeeping, it would be very subjective and very hard to quantify. All we can really do is to trust the word of people who saw the great ones.

 

[zaremba]

Speaking of slip fielding, who would be fielding at slip in the XI that CW has selected? Presumably Warne and Sobers, but I can't think of a third in that team, and both Warne and Sobers would obviously spend some of the time bowling.

 

[kyear2]

Richards 1st slip, Sobers 2nd slip and Warne at 3rd. But I guess that they are interchangable.

 

[watson]

Richards 1st slip, Sobers 2nd slip and Warne at 3rd. But I guess that they are interchangable.

Didn't Richards spend most of his career at square leg looking to run batsman out?

What about Hutton and Bradman? Where did they normally field? I know that Hobbs was a brilliant cover fieldsman so he wouldn't be in the cordon.

Also, what about gully? Did any of our XI ever field in the gully?

 

[kyear2]

During the majority of Lloyds captaincy Richards fielded at 2nd slip before moving across to first when Lloyd retired. Neither Hutton or Bradman fielded in the cordon and generally were in the offside mid off - cover ring. As far as gully is concerned doesn't Tendulkar field there sometimes? Not sure, some one can confirm.
I know Tendy sometimes does field in the slips, but doesn't inspire much confidence there, so he would be the choice to slide over to gully.

 

[watson]

During the majority of Lloyds captaincy Richards fielded at 2nd slip before moving across to first when Lloyd retired. Neither Hutton or Bradman fielded in the cordon and generally were in the offside mid off - cover ring. As far as gully is concerned doesn't Tendulkar field there sometimes? Not sure, some one can confirm.
I know Tendy sometimes does field in the slips, but doesn't inspire much confidence there, so he would be the choice to slide over to gully.

Thanks kyear2. Richards, Warne, Sobers, and Tendulkar would be adequate I guess without being sensational.

 

[Jager]

Thanks kyear2. Richards, Warne, Sobers, and Tendulkar would be adequate I guess without being sensational.

From what I have read, Sobers was sensational fielding in front of the wicket. Richards was best as a 'swooper'- picking up the ball and trying to turn a quick single into a run out, but he was also a good slipper. Warne would probably be classified as 'reliable' but I doubt the same would be said about Tendy, although he is not necessarily bad.

 

[kyear2]

Sobers was sensational every where, but especially at 2nd slip to the fast men and slip and leg slip to yje spinners. Richards was also very good and I would rate Warne higher than just reliable. Tendy is just about average but should do decently in the gully

 

[kyear2]

So the official 16 man squad (based on our first team and votes from Nufan's 2nd Team) for the trip to Mars.

Openers
Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Sunile Gavaskar

Middle Order
Don Bradman
Viv Richards
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara

All Rounders
Garry Sobers
Imran Khan
Richard Hadllee

Wicket Keepers
Adam Gilchrist
Allan Knott

Fast Bowlers
Malcolm Marshall
Glenn Mcgrath

Spinners
Shane Warne
Muttiah Muralitharan

 

[zaremba]

From what I have read, Sobers was sensational fielding in front of the wicket.

I think he was particularly renowned at leg slip. Seen some footage of some pretty amazing and effortless catches by him there. Presumably he'd be pretty safe at slip too, but I've no idea how much he actually fielded there.

 

[kyear2]

They are some clips of him pulling of some amazing catches at second slip off Hall, one in particular he dove forward and to his left for an especially spectacular grab. He was marvelous every where. One od the great slip fielders for sure.

 

[kyear2]

Nice little article about Sir Garry that speaks to his fielding as well.

Immortal Sir Garfield Sobers | Cricistan - The Territory of Pakistan Cricket

 

[watson]

So the official 16 man squad (based on our first team and votes from Nufan's 2nd Team) for the trip to Mars.

Openers
Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Sunile Gavaskar

Middle Order
Don Bradman
Viv Richards
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara

All Rounders
Garry Sobers
Imran Khan
Richard Hadllee

Wicket Keepers
Adam Gilchrist
Allan Knott

Fast Bowlers
Malcolm Marshall
Glenn Mcgrath

Spinners
Shane Warne
Muttiah Muralitharan

Pretty close to perfection for a squad I think.

Imran or Gilchrist for captain?

Unfortunately Hutton or Bradman seem too monochrome, and Warne's mobile phone + dietary habits + monstrous face-lifts are a problem too me.

 

[ankitj]

Sorely miss Barnes in that line up. May be we don't need a reserve opener.

 

[Jager]

Pretty close to perfection for a squad I think.

Imran or Gilchrist for captain?

Unfortunately Hutton or Bradman seem too monochrome, and Warne's mobile phone + dietary habits + monstrous face-lifts are a problem too me.

Sobers IMO. Adventurous and attacking.

 

[kyear2]

Sorely miss Barnes in that line up. May be we don't need a reserve opener.

What I really miss is apart from Marshall, is extreme pace and agression. I would prefer Lillee over Hadlee any day.

Thinking about a vote for the reserves.

 

[smash84]

Sobers IMO. Adventurous and attacking.

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