Taboo Draft

[Eds]

Not only does Himannv take the exact player I want, but also the category so I can't take his backup. FFS.

 

[Spikey]

eds taking it so bad he's refusing to pick

 

[Eds]

Doing some research for my pick atm and it's really, really hard to pick if you have a batsman and pacer banned. Really think the restrictions are too hard to pick up an all-rounder, personally.

Someone like Mike Procter, Hedley Verity, Wasim Akram, etc. all count as pure bowlers when in reality you're picking them for their all-round skill, not just bowling. That sort of player is entirely different to a Joel Garner or Michael Holding who you pick solely for their bowling. Similarly, counting players such as Jacques Kallis as batsmen further decreases the all-rounder pool and is making this draft far more about luck and draft position than it should have been, IMO.

Let's look at the number of batsman, as well. If a batsman was picked every third pick (the absolute maximum considering the taboo) then we get a recurring trend of 8 in Round 1, 7 in Round 2, 8 in Round 3 etc. then we get 90 batsmen overall. Divide that by the total number of teams and that's 4.5 - meaning some teams will have to go in with 4, and if they get a poor draft, maybe even 2 or 3, and there's nothing they can do about it. And that's if the maximum number of batsman is picked every time. So far in this draft, only 12 batsmen have been selected and we're already into Round 3. I suggest we split it up into Opening Batsmen and Middle Order batsman in order to allow teams to actually be at all balanced.

Combine the batsman issue with the lack of all-rounders, and it means teams will just come out incredibly poor and imbalanced. I feel the requirements need looking at a bit.

 

[Jager]

Great post Ed. Maybe we do need to rejig the rules slightly. Should we use your method of splitting batsmen into two categories, what would we do about batsmen who opened and played in the middle order (for example, Arthur Morris or Victor Trumper)?

 

[Howe_zat]

Just use where they played in the majority of their matches.

 

[Eds]

Yeah, combine the number of innings they played at 1+2, as well as combining the number of innings they played in the middle order and use the one in which they played more.

I'd suggest:
Top Order Batsmen
Middle Order Batsmen
Wicketkeepers
Batting All-Rounders
Bowling All-Rounders
Seamers
Spinners

Or, you could simply make the all-rounder requirements less tight and have one grouping there. Would prefer to have two separate categories so it isn't all about draft order and luck, though.

 

[NUFAN]

Or you could just simply make your pick.

 

[Spikey]

in retrospect we really should have suggested the spilt in batting order in the planning stages

 

[kyear2]

Doing some research for my pick atm and it's really, really hard to pick if you have a batsman and pacer banned. Really think the restrictions are too hard to pick up an all-rounder, personally.

Someone like Mike Procter, Hedley Verity, Wasim Akram, etc. all count as pure bowlers when in reality you're picking them for their all-round skill, not just bowling. That sort of player is entirely different to a Joel Garner or Michael Holding who you pick solely for their bowling. Similarly, counting players such as Jacques Kallis as batsmen further decreases the all-rounder pool and is making this draft far more about luck and draft position than it should have been, IMO.

Let's look at the number of batsman, as well. If a batsman was picked every third pick (the absolute maximum considering the taboo) then we get a recurring trend of 8 in Round 1, 7 in Round 2, 8 in Round 3 etc. then we get 90 batsmen overall. Divide that by the total number of teams and that's 4.5 - meaning some teams will have to go in with 4, and if they get a poor draft, maybe even 2 or 3, and there's nothing they can do about it. And that's if the maximum number of batsman is picked every time. So far in this draft, only 12 batsmen have been selected and we're already into Round 3. I suggest we split it up into Opening Batsmen and Middle Order batsman in order to allow teams to actually be at all balanced.

Combine the batsman issue with the lack of all-rounders, and it means teams will just come out incredibly poor and imbalanced. I feel the requirements need looking at a bit.

Totally agree, In the second round where one usually gets the last of the truely great players and get your fast bolwer or alpha male batsman depending on what you got in the first round, had to take a second tier keeper or spinner, so my draft is ruined aleady. Also if we go by what is considered all rounders, they are not enough to go around. Also agree with posibly separating mid order from openeing batsmen to at least help with the restrictions.

 

[uvelocity]

nobodys going to die over this

 

[G.I.Joe]

I'm in favour of splitting up the batsmen. We're going to exhaust the pool of all-rounders, so it makes sense to have looser criteria in the classification. How about batting average of atleast 17?

 

[Cabinet96]

Eds, I agree with you and think some changes should be made, but I think it's unfair to make them in the middle of the round, as the people who had picked earlier in the round had the same problems as you. If we are to make any changes it should be done between rounds IMO.

 

[Eds]

Eds, I agree with you and think some changes should be made, but I think it's unfair to make them in the middle of the round, as the people who had picked earlier in the round had the same problems as you. If we are to make any changes it should be done between rounds IMO.

Hmmm... I agree. Maybe re-start Round 3 and continue from there? Minimises the impact of the poor requirements before hand, and means we don't have to change too many picks.

 

[Spikey]

nobodys going to die over this

oh sorry didn't you get the memo? the winner of this draft gets to kill 3 of the contestants

 

[NUFAN]

We should either start again or don't make the changes.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem is when people take over the 12 hours and you miss out on the opportunity to pick a batsman which was clearly always going to be the hardest type of player to get its why I was annoyed not getting Lara in the first round and if the all rounder thing changes like Joe suggested, I wouldn't have went for Rhodes..

 

[Jager]

We should either start again or don't make the changes.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem is when people take over the 12 hours and you miss out on the opportunity to pick a batsman which was clearly always going to be the hardest type of player to get its why I was annoyed not getting Lara in the first round and if the all rounder thing changes like Joe suggested, I wouldn't have went for Rhodes..

A complete restart? I'd actually be okay with that, we're in no stress or hurry, it's fun regardless.

 

[Eds]

We should either start again or don't make the changes.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem is when people take over the 12 hours and you miss out on the opportunity to pick a batsman which was clearly always going to be the hardest type of player to get its why I was annoyed not getting Lara in the first round and if the all rounder thing changes like Joe suggested, I wouldn't have went for Rhodes..

I'd suggest starting again completely if I'm honest, but I thought people would be against that.

EDIT: Agree with Jager also.

 

[NUFAN]

A complete restart? I'd actually be okay with that, we're in no stress or hurry, it's fun regardless.

Yes definitely or just continue as is. People have made picks in accordance to the current rules.

I don't care really if my team ended up having 3 batsman, 3 wicket keepers, 2 all rounders and 3 bowlers..Its a taboo draft, you can't expect to have the perfect 6 ATG batsman, 1 wk 1 amazing all rounder and 3 ATG bowlers..

 

[Cabinet96]

Wouldn't really want to start the whole thing again. Don't mind starting the round again though.

 

[Cevno]

Yes definitely or just continue as is. People have made picks in accordance to the current rules.

I don't care really if my team ended up having 3 batsman, 3 wicket keepers, 2 all rounders and 3 bowlers..Its a taboo draft, you can't expect to have the perfect 6 ATG batsman, 1 wk 1 amazing all rounder and 3 ATG bowlers..

Yeah, agree with this. There was a somewhat high luck aspect to the draft to begin with and balancing the team was the main challenge.