*Official* English Domestic Cricket 2012

[Scaly piscine]

And if I were a betting man I'd put a tenner down without worry that Onions will not play another Tset. He always seemed to get an easy ride when he bowled poorly in Tests and was over praised when he bowled well. Nowhere near as good as the top 5 seamers now and there are other younger ones who will challenge him.

Complete load of bollocks. I remember when Onions helped turn a game when nothing much was happening, he took four top order wickets. Anderson came in on the back of that and cleaned up the tail and ended up with a 5-fer. Headlines were all about Anderson. If you think a Durham player will ever get over-praised or favourable coverage from the media and commentators you're on another planet. The latest bandwagon is Stokes being poor against spin because he got out to Ashwin a couple of times in T20s (one of them he top-scored with ~30).

I wouldn't even compare Onions with the other bowlers because he's completely different. He bowls very aggressively with a skiddy action. We know if any one of a handful of bowlers gets picked they'd do a good job and he's one of them. Onions will be the best bowler in some situations.

 

[Woodster]

Gloucestershire are killing me.

Yorkshire declare leaving opposition 262 to win. Gloucestershire are still batting with the lead at over 350. useless.

Seems crazy to be carrying on, surely they should believe they can defend 350 on the final day with 90 minutes already taken out of the day and presumably the risk of some unsettled weather around.

Looking forward to seeing how Essex look to chase down their target against Yorkshire, would certainly help if we don't lose the first five wickets for less than 50 in this innings.

 

[Woodster]

Complete load of bollocks. I remember when Onions helped turn a game when nothing much was happening, he took four top order wickets. Anderson came in on the back of that and cleaned up the tail and ended up with a 5-fer. Headlines were all about Anderson. If you think a Durham player will ever get over-praised or favourable coverage from the media and commentators you're on another planet. The latest bandwagon is Stokes being poor against spin because he got out to Ashwin a couple of times in T20s (one of them he top-scored with ~30).

I wouldn't even compare Onions with the other bowlers because he's completely different. He bowls very aggressively with a skiddy action. We know if any one of a handful of bowlers gets picked they'd do a good job and he's one of them. Onions will be the best bowler in some situations.

I agree that Onions is a top quality bowler and very much a different style of bowler to those currently in the England set-up, I don't agree with all the poor Durham players getting a rough deal off the media, no player is excused from media criticism no matter where they're from.

 

[Woodster]

Essex have lost Alviro Petersen early, not an ideal start, falling LBW to Shahzad. Hope Tom Westley can step up.

 

[Manee]

I agree that Onions is a top quality bowler and very much a different style of bowler to those currently in the England set-up, I don't agree with all the poor Durham players getting a rough deal off the media, no player is excused from media criticism no matter where they're from.

I agree.

 

[Howe_zat]

Shahzad gets Peterson, game on.

And Godleman! Cribb to taste it.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

Complete load of bollocks. I remember when Onions helped turn a game when nothing much was happening, he took four top order wickets. Anderson came in on the back of that and cleaned up the tail and ended up with a 5-fer. Headlines were all about Anderson.

Far from bollocks.

Onions has bowled several ordinary to poor spells in his short Test career - rather fewer good ones.

Any situation which suits his style of bowling will be far better for Anderson, Broad and Bresnan and they are better in other situations.

I've never seen him look better than a standard "English pitch" seamer.

 

[Viscount Tom]

Goddleman goes too.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I agree that Onions is a top quality bowler and very much a different style of bowler to those currently in the England set-up, I don't agree with all the poor Durham players getting a rough deal off the media, no player is excused from media criticism no matter where they're from.

Lets have a look at Durham players:

Harmison - hammered by the media, constant sniping at his personality
Collingwood - hammered by the media, consistently questioning his place while soft-arse Bell was getting away near scot free
Onions - pretty much forgotten about by everyone except Boycott, if he was from down south, or better still an Asian from down south the media would be camped outside ECB HQ demanding selection
Stokes - see Onions. Crap about him being technically deficient against spin because he got out trying to slog Ashwin.

So yea I don't know where you've been but the facts speak for themselves. The media are a bunch of London-centric ****wits persistly ramming their agenda down the throats of all and sundry. Their agenda is to get their local hero into the side. It's the same with any local press, the only difference is the London tossers have national coverage. If anyone from Slurrey so much as looks like a competent FC player we never hear the end of it. Fact is the dominant sides are mostly northern (Lancs, Notts, Durham) but they get a fraction of the coverage. It happens just the same in football.

 

[grecian]

Wow, apart from the obvious incredible, ranty chippyness from our resident Duramher, I agree that Onions is fair from an average seamer, he get's much more out of dead pitches than some, and he get's good players out.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Hehe, lets hope the weather holds for a good day. A Yorkshire win and another crushing defeat for Lancashire will be perfect thanks.

 

[MW1304]

Onions!

The average seamer needs one more for his 10-fer. Would be his first one as well.

Edit: ...and it take him 2 balls. Congrats.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Onions!

The average seamer needs one more for his 10-fer. Would be his first one as well.

Yep, got it two balls later.

Tends to get a lot of big hauls (in an innings), so I'm surprised it's his first 10-fer.

 

[theegyptian]

Lets have a look at Durham players:

Harmison - hammered by the media, constant sniping at his personality
Collingwood - hammered by the media, consistently questioning his place while soft-arse Bell was getting away near scot free
Onions - pretty much forgotten about by everyone except Boycott, if he was from down south, or better still an Asian from down south the media would be camped outside ECB HQ demanding selection
Stokes - see Onions. Crap about him being technically deficient against spin because he got out trying to slog Ashwin.

So yea I don't know where you've been but the facts speak for themselves. The media are a bunch of London-centric ****wits persistly ramming their agenda down the throats of all and sundry. Their agenda is to get their local hero into the side. It's the same with any local press, the only difference is the London tossers have national coverage. If anyone from Slurrey so much as looks like a competent FC player we never hear the end of it. Fact is the dominant sides are mostly northern (Lancs, Notts, Durham) but they get a fraction of the coverage. It happens just the same in football.

Onions is a very good bowler, was unlucky with the timing of his injury, but is probably in his correct position at present. i.e england second xi. We shouldn't read too much into all the wickets he's taking early this season. I'd be worried if he wasn't in these conditions.

Harmison was a **** and should have been hammered more by the media. Constantly turning up on tours underprepared and spending nights drinking with flintoff whilst doing nothing on the field. One good year and the rest was erratic crap.

As far as I remember Collingwood was never hammered by the media and the questioning of his place was correct as he always just did enough to stay in the team.

Onions is hardly forgotten and given he had a year long + injury as serious as he had, it was always going to be a problem getting back into the england setup. Things moved on and England have a bevy of decent fast bowlers. There were plenty of bowlers with better figures than 50 wickets at 26 last year, impressive though they were. He has to earn his place in the team rather than walk back in after an injury of that seriousness and the success that england had in the meantime.

Stokes I like and was unlucky with the injury he got last season. Pre injury he was really rolling, batting destructively and taking his fair share of wickets. Unfortunately he came back from injury and never really looked the same player and didn't have the second bow of his bowling to full back upon. He may well of been Englands current no.6 for that injury last season. He does though have disciplinary problems and England will be worried about this. Stokes may well have an excellent season with both bat and ball and force his way into the england team but there are plenty of decent young english batsman who have done well and deserve equal respect.

I feel like if Stokes gets his discipline problems under control England would love to bat him at 6 in test cricket in this current team. A powerful and destructive hitter who bowls decent medium pacers would be a great improvement for england at 6.

The press is always going to be london based but that's life. From an outsiders pov I don't see how any Durham player has been particularly harshly treated.

 

[Viscount Tom]

Yep, got it two balls later.

Tends to get a lot of big hauls (in an innings), so I'm surprised it's his first 10-fer.

Shouldn't be too surprised, its the same with Anderson, doesn't always get the wickets you think he should because of the other bowlers and lets be fair Onions has in terms of quality the best on the circuit around him.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

Lets have a look at Durham players:

Harmison - hammered by the media, constant sniping at his personality
Collingwood - hammered by the media, consistently questioning his place while soft-arse Bell was getting away near scot free
Onions - pretty much forgotten about by everyone except Boycott, if he was from down south, or better still an Asian from down south the media would be camped outside ECB HQ demanding selection
Stokes - see Onions. Crap about him being technically deficient against spin because he got out trying to slog Ashwin.

So yea I don't know where you've been but the facts speak for themselves. The media are a bunch of London-centric ****wits persistly ramming their agenda down the throats of all and sundry. Their agenda is to get their local hero into the side. It's the same with any local press, the only difference is the London tossers have national coverage. If anyone from Slurrey so much as looks like a competent FC player we never hear the end of it. Fact is the dominant sides are mostly northern (Lancs, Notts, Durham) but they get a fraction of the coverage. It happens just the same in football.

Clearly a well balanced individual.

A chip on both shoulders.

And what a heap that was.

Harmison - when in the mental and physical shape for Test cricket was, if anything, a media darling. And when he wasn't he was given more leeway than many.

Collingwood - the media generally undestood his role in the team and showed it due respect. Like any others, if he wasn't making runs his place was questioned.

Onions - three or four good spells in Tests, Quite a few poor ones quickly forgotten. Might (only might) have made a good Test bowler - a poor man's Chris Old from what I've seen (oh, and your stupid tirade about southern - and Asian - seamers getting undue consideration is rather destroyed by the cases of Anderson, and more recently Broad. And I can think of a few bowlers who, if their international career had started like Tim Bresnan's wouldn;t have been seen again). Also rather strugglingto find a seamer of Asian origin from the evil South that has played Test cricket.

Stokes - all the coverage of Stokes I have seen has been positive. Even down to the idea he's 'the new Flintoff' - frankly daft at the moment as his bowling shows no signs of being in the same parish. Again, there have been plenty of who, after a start in ODIs that Stokes has had, would be labelled (by the dim) as no good for ever.

And as for your final "southern bias" tirade - best laugh I've had all week, and it's been quite a funny week........

 

[Scaly piscine]

Durham seem to be busy ****ing up a regulation win here. They turned three wins into draws early last season and it cost them the title. Hope they don't throw away this one as well.

 

[Scaly piscine]

130 to win.

Edit: Sounds as though it may rain shortly anyway. FFS.

 

[Pothas]

****ing Wales.

 

[Howe_zat]

****ing everywhere.