Mohammad Sami vs Ishant Sharma

[Sparkley]

I don't know if Sami's a perplexing case. Maybe he is but to a much lesser extent. Sami had a lot of pace but generally bowled utter dross, as a batsman's average of 50+ would seem to suggest. Ishant's case however boggles the mind. He averages mid 30s after a fair number of tests which is not good by any standard nor is it completely crap. He just seems to have a lot of days where he seems to bowl well but goes wicketless.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

I guess that's fair.

 

[silentstriker]

Both Sami and Ishant are incredibly perplexing cases.

Neither is perplexing. They both bowl terribly, with one sometimes having periods of less terribleness that is reflected in their averages.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Yeah but both had all the right skills to achieve a good career in test career.

 

[silentstriker]

Well except the part about bowling well.

 

[nightprowler10]

Yeah, Sami was straight up poor when it came to bowling in the right areas. In some matches he almost exclusively bowled in all the wrong areas. He got unlucky about as much as any other bowler when he was bowling well, but he usually followed it up with absolute crap.

 

[shankar]

Ishant has suffered in the past year from coaches and selectors not recognizing the obvious problems with his bowling and sending back to domestic cricket to work on it. Instead they kept picking him again and again not just assuming that he'll do well but not even recognizing that he was bowling badly at present!

 

[Cruxdude]

Really hurts talking about Ishant. I have no idea about the technicalities of bowling so no clue of why it all went downhill but saying he was always terrible is dishonest. Was very good till around 2008. MOTS in the Australian tour of India IIRC. Now either bowls dross or bowls well for no wickets.

 

[smash84]

I could never have imagined that a bowler bowling consistently at 150 kph could average more than 35 let alone 50 i.e. until Sami came along

 

[wellAlbidarned]

When it wasn't his day (eg most of them) he'd drop to more like late 130s early 140s, while still spraying it. Like all but a select few express bowlers, he was only really consistently 150kph plus in ODIs.

 

[Jono]

Don't understand how people say Sami's perplexing yet someone like Saj Mahmood or Liam Plunkett is just ****.

They all bowled quick, with the odd awesome delivery, but on the whole it was just pure piles of ****s. Half volleys, legside filth etc. etc.

 

[Migara]

Don't understand how people say Sami's perplexing yet someone like Saj Mahmood or Liam Plunkett is just ****.

They all bowled quick, with the odd awesome delivery, but on the whole it was just pure piles of ****s. Half volleys, legside filth etc. etc.

Sajid Mahmood and Liam Plunkett are no way close to pace that Sami produces. When fully fit gets to 150 with regularity.

 

[smash84]

awta

 

[Manee]

Sajid Mahmood and Liam Plunkett are no way close to pace that Sami produces. When fully fit gets to 150 with regularity.

Plunkett is more a 140kph bowler but Saj can certainly bowl 150kph as often as Sami, if marginally less.

 

[Migara]

In his pomp Sami was a 155k+ bowler. Saj would be over the moon if he can get to that heights.

 

[silentstriker]

What in the world does that having to do with bowling well? People expected him to be a great bowler just because the ball came out of his hand really fast? Surely it's a component, but not anywhere near the most important one.

 

[Arachnodouche]

No, I guess because there was a certain liquid aspect to his run up and action, and he rarely seemed off-rhythm, even when he was bowling total dross. As a viewer you expected him to send magic ball after magic ball. And he had an absolutely unimpeachable action to boot, nothing suspect like Shoaib.

 

[Manee]

What in the world does that having to do with bowling well? People expected him to be a great bowler just because the ball came out of his hand really fast? Surely it's a component, but not anywhere near the most important one.

I think you are overstating your case. Bowling up towards 155kph can get you Test wickets. It doesn't happen often but if it did, it would get wickets. When Tait bowled that rapid over to England and to Pakistan, they couldn't touch the ball. It was little to do with trying to score, it was actually going straight through them. No bowler has ever consistently bowled it at 155kph (verified by a speed gun) throughout a day and it is unlikely that they will - but if they did, the chances are that they will be very successful in Test cricket. Even Lee and Shoaib would come down toward the 140-145kph region, even in their prime.

 

[smash84]

going over 150 kph is seriously quick and with that you should get a lot of wickets if you get your line and length even decently right

 

[abmk]

Sami should return in both forms of the game.He would do a better job than Gul does in Test Matches atleast.

This post should be nominated for the worst post of all time ...... Seriously ??? '

Gul >>>>>>>>>>>> Sami as a test bowler .......

Since 2011, Gul has 45 wickets in 11 matches @ 25. I suppose that's horrific