CW Top 50 Cricketers of All Time - 2nd Edition

[Burgey]

nopes he isn't, criticize him by all means but criticize fairly at least and make statements with a teeny weeny bit of knowledge about the subject. And absolutist statements like "he NEVER did this or that" don't really help.

Just saw irony dying a death in this cinema with you of all people posting that.

 

[smash84]

lol.....WAC.....

Edit: Btw when have I criticized unfairly?

 

[kyear2]

Sorry to offend, but you take this way too seriously to the point of insulting anyone who dares speak againts Imran.
Get over it, and I am not a troll. Don't cherry pick evey post I make to see if Imran is possibly offended.

Also dont insult my interity or intelligence and your personal attacks are not warrented or appreciated. If I really wanted to attack Imran there are more than enough avenue's to persue.

People say things here all of the time about other players but only you resort to personal attacks to defend a past player. Everyone gets it, but troll and ignorant crosses a line.

 

[smash84]

sorry dude..... you are right....that was a bit OTT from me.

did you look at those links?

 

[kyear2]

sorry dude..... you are right....that was a bit OTT from me.

did you look at those links?

I did, and knew of two of them. The first one was the most impressive. But honestly can you dispell the notion that his batting didn't totally take off until the later part of his career?
That is all I was trying to say.

 

[smash84]

due.....there is no denying the fact that his batting got very good in his last few years. Saying that and that he never performed with bat and ball at the same time are two very different things.

but can you say that he NEVER performed with bat and ball at the same time? And you did say that didn't you?

 

[kyear2]

And I corrected it. It's after one am here. I mis-spoke, but you got the gist of what I meant. Don't be so sensitive.

 

[smash84]

forgive me for misunderstanding you since you are up so late

 

[marc71178]

nopes he isn't, criticize him by all means but criticize fairly at least and make statements with a teeny weeny bit of knowledge about the subject. And absolutist statements like "he NEVER did this or that" don't really help.

What, even when it's true? I've been through this so many times but when you compare him to others, his all round performances are poor in terms of doing it with both disciplines at the same time.

 

[smash84]

oh....please I remember that silly list that you once brought up which put a cut off at what 250 runs...at least do some background analysis before jumping on to stats guru

 

[Sparkley]

Imran Khan's batting and captaincy are two of the most overrated things in cricket. He was an extraordinary bowler and arguably the best of the four all rounders in that department (Botham and Kapil were not really in the same ball park, fine bowlers though they undoubtedly were). However, he was also the worst of the four in terms of batting bar possibly Hadlee. Botham and Kapil were much more likely to come up with game changing innings with the bat, the likes of which Imran never quite matched, be it Botham,s exploits in THAT Ashes or Kapil's brilliance against a fiery West Indian attack in West Indies or his sublime century against a rampaging Donald in P.E. Imran's captaincy also tends to get looked at with rose tinted glasses. He wasn't as selfless or heroic (or honest) as made out to be. He retired multiple times FFS.

 

[ankitj]

When he came out of retirement, he did produce results that he can be mighty proud of though.

 

[smash84]

Imran Khan's batting and captaincy are two of the most overrated things in cricket. He was an extraordinary bowler and arguably the best of the four all rounders in that department (Botham and Kapil were not really in the same ball park, fine bowlers though they undoubtedly were). However, he was also the worst of the four in terms of batting bar possibly Hadlee. Botham and Kapil were much more likely to come up with game changing innings with the bat, the likes of which Imran never quite matched, be it Botham,s exploits in THAT Ashes or Kapil's brilliance against a fiery West Indian attack in West Indies or his sublime century against a rampaging Donald in P.E. Imran's captaincy also tends to get looked at with rose tinted glasses. He wasn't as selfless or heroic (or honest) as made out to be. He retired multiple times FFS.

Imran was definitely a better bat than Hadlee (Hadlee probably the better bowler though)

Imran's captaincy isn't over rated.

He came back from retirement once so he wasn't as selfless or honest? Queer logic.

 

[Sparkley]

The honesty bit had nothing to do with that. I don't want to open a can of worms especially seeing how sensitive some posters are so I'll leave it at that. I'm not here to hurt anyone's feelings or beliefs Retiring and coming out of retirement is a deadset sign of selfishness in my eyes. Perhaps you see it differently. As regards justifying that by pointing to the WC win, all I can say is things would be very different if rain hadn't played spoilsport after England bundled out Pak for 74. Then what? His captaincy is seriously overrated. Border, Ganguly, Waugh, Ranatunga all comparable.

 

[Sparkley]

Also, his own performance in that WC was nothing to write home about. Attributing that WC win to him and him alone would be like saying India won last year because of Virat Kohli.

 

[smash84]

The honesty bit had nothing to do with that. I don't want to open a can of worms especially seeing how sensitive some posters are so I'll leave it at that. I'm not here to hurt anyone's feelings or beliefs Retiring and coming out of retirement is a deadset sign of selfishness in my eyes. Perhaps you see it differently. As regards justifying that by pointing to the WC win, all I can say is things would be very different if rain hadn't played spoilsport after England bundled out Pak for 74. Then what? His captaincy is seriously overrated. Border, Ganguly, Waugh, Ranatunga all comparable.

Pakistan's first series win in England, India, SL, Beating WI in a test on their home soil (the first in 10 years) and almost winning the series (despite not having superstars in the team). Finding and handpicking talent and nurturing them into ATG. Making a not so stellar team as world beaters. That is a pretty good captain.

I really don't quite understand how retiring and coming back from it is selfishness? I wouldn't mind an explanation on this tbh

 

[smash84]

Also, his own performance in that WC was nothing to write home about. Attributing that WC win to him and him alone would be like saying India won last year because of Virat Kohli.

No. It would be like saying that India would have won the world cup without Dhoni.

 

[ankitj]

Imran's performance after return from retirement. Batting average of 61, bowling average of 26, and a couple of drawn series against the mighty West Indies. Those are pretty awesome results!

 

[weldone]

Imran's performance after return from retirement. Batting average of 61, bowling average of 26, and a couple of drawn series against the mighty West Indies. Those are pretty awesome results!

I don't rate his bowling in return-from-retirement period tbh. He didn't bowl a lot during that period (2.8 wickets per match). But yeah, he came back as a dependable batsman, and an experienced captain.

 

[smash84]

yeah awta after 1988 Imran's bowling went downhill pretty quickly