*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[Flem274*]

Tried the cricket quiz on the herald. 8/10 but their Philander question was wrong. A quick check reveals he did indeed take 21 wickets, not 20, you ****s.

The other question I got wrong was Martin's run tally for the summer.

 

[Dan]

"They" is NZC? Shane Bond revisited.

Surely going to a wedding or playing cricket for a New Zealand domestic side wouldn't prevent you from qualifying. It was 6 days FFS, it doesn't have that much of a bearing on things.

 

[Kippax]

Derbyshire's schedule, for those who'll be following Guptill's pursuit of a thousand before the end of May.

No swinging, seaming Tiflex ball any more in Division 2, and bowling should be pedestrian enough for Guppy's attention to biomechanics, nutrition and sports psych to leave his Martin Suckstill persona behind yet again.

Little fictitious TAB book:
<300 Championship runs before the end of May: $2.90
301-499: $2.50
500-749:$3.20
750-999: $10
1000+: $200

 

[Flem274*]

Lol, Martin Suckstill. Might steal that for a later rant.

 

[Kippax]

Cricket: Black Caps could lose coach over terms - Cricket - NZ Herald News

Cricket: Wagner saga to continue - Sport - NZ Herald News

 

[Flem274*]

Wright is reluctant to continue in the job under his current terms. He is contracted until the West Indies tour finishes in August. The Herald on Sunday understands he will not demand a salary increase and is happy to concede more administrative responsibility to manager Mike Sandle but, in return, he wants absolute power over the coaching and selection of the team.

Fair enough. His job security depends on the players, so he should get to pick them.

The only thing I disagree with Wright's terms with is a bowler should always coach the bowlers. Damien Wright should stay.

Wright is a pragmatist, Buchanan is an analyst. Both have been successful coaches in their careers before joining NZC. However, Wright is believed to want no Buchanan influence around the selection table.

itstl. Not sure what to think here because I can't even remember what Buchanan is meant to be doing.

One example had Wright adamant players should not have to fill out a substantial review document of the 2011-12 season. The Herald on Sunday was told Wright preferred more of an old school "sit down with a beer at the bar" approach to counsel players.

Lolwat. Why are they writing essays when they should be doing something useful?

Wright was also disappointed NZC failed to appoint former Otago and now Kenya coach Mike Hesson to either the selection manager or team manager roles which were eventually secured by ex-Bowls Australia high performance manager Kim Littlejohn and ex-Blues rugby manager Sandle respectively.

Ten points to Steve for calling lawn bowls man. I guess now we know why you no give pie?

 

[Flem274*]

And that Wagner situation is just ****ing ridiculous.

 

[Mike5181]

And that Wagner situation is just ****ing ridiculous.

Surely by the time the test portion of the West Indies tour comes around, August 2012 those short trips would be outweighed. He thought he was eligible at the start of April. How can you be pushed back 6-8 months?

 

[Flem274*]

How do you not make sure with the ICC when someone can play as soon as they arrive? Even if Wagner was the biggest hack out, a contracted domestic player intending to qualify deserves a set in stone date and some rules asap.

 

[Kippax]

The issue appears to have been clouded by Wagner's misconception that because he left South Africa permanently in April 2008, the four-year stand-down also started then. His working visa in New Zealand actually started in October 2008, meaning he has a further six months to serve.

So October is the best case. December if they decide to not let the brother's wedding one slide.

 

[Flem274*]

Anyway, with the amatuer **** ups NZC make time and again, is it any surprise we're 7th in the world?

I still haven't forgiven them for Bond.

 

[Mike5181]

So October is the best case. December if they decide to not let the brother's wedding one slide.

Isn't it 182 days in each year though?

 

[Kippax]

How do you not make sure with the ICC when someone can play as soon as they arrive? Even if Wagner was the biggest hack out, a contracted domestic player intending to qualify deserves a set in stone date and some rules asap.

Especially when they were burnt once already, and relatively recently to boot. They admitted to Shane Bond they were negligent and mislead him badly.

 

[Kippax]

Isn't it 182 days in each year though?

I see what you mean. Even if we start from Dec 2008, he becomes a 4-year resident at the 3.5 year mark, so June 2012.

http://static.icc-cricket.yahoo.net...B77363CAE461644EC9C1688_1281866239978_416.pdf

(b) a male Player who has resided in the relevant country for a minimum of 183 days
in each of the immediately preceding four years, shall be deemed to be a “4-
Year Resident” of that country;

NOTES:
(1) For the purposes of Articles 3.1.3(a) –(c), the "immediately preceding‟ period shall mean the
relevant period that immediately precedes the date of submission of the relevant information to
the ICC‟s Cricket Operations Manager (in the case of Full Members) or the due date for
submission of the selected squad lists (in the case of Associate and Affiliate Members whose
representative teams are participating in a particular ICC Event). For example, if the selected
squad lists are due on 1 April 2011, for a female Player to qualify as a 2-Year Resident, she
must have resided in the relevant country for a minimum of 183 days in the period 1 April 2010 –
31 March 2011 and for a minimum of 183 days in the period 1 April 2009 – 31 March 2010, so
that it is not possible for a Player to qualify as a 2-Year Resident unless she has resided in the
relevant country for an minimum period of at least 1½ years. Similarly for a male Player to
qualify as a 4-Year or 7-Year Resident, he must have resided in the relevant country for at least
3½ years (in the case of a 4-Year Resident) or 6½ years (in the case of a 7-Year Resident).

 

[SteveNZ]

Anyway, with the amatuer **** ups NZC make time and again, is it any surprise we're 7th in the world?

I still haven't forgiven them for Bond.

That was Justin Vaughan's doing, and all this Wagner stuff seems to be under his jurisdiction as well.

Probably fair to give David White a decent crack at it.

Lawnbowls Littlejohn won't last until the Windies tour. Either that or Wright won't. Was doomed to failure from ball one. Too many people trying to be the next Moneyball in sporting circles. It makes me cringe.

 

[Neil Young]

Why would anyone in NZ cricket choose Littlejohn over Wright? What is going on there?

Ryder is a massive disappointment. Am a big Welly fan but I am almost done with him. Boam should have floored him when he had the chance. Maybe Doull was right and Ryder is not happy in Wgtn. Maybe he should start afresh somewhere new. Just sort your head out one way or t'other, pal. NZ can't afford to lose someone of your ability.

 

[Kippax]

County Cricket 2012: Kane Williamson to return to Gloucs | Cricket News | Gloucestershire | ESPN Cricinfo

And will be replaced by "another centrally-contracted player, not involved in the West Indies tour."

Well, who knows. Watling perhaps. The only other batsman in NZC's 20 who definitely won't be touring is Broom.

 

[Mike5181]

Gun from Gloucestershire giving two of our guys county experience.

 

[Howsie]

County Cricket 2012: Kane Williamson to return to Gloucs | Cricket News | Gloucestershire | ESPN Cricinfo

And will be replaced by "another centrally-contracted player, not involved in the West Indies tour."

Well, who knows. Watling perhaps. The only other batsman in NZC's 20 who definitely won't be touring is Broom.

It was going to be Daniel Flynn but New Zealand cricket have already told Gloucestershire that he'll be on the plane with Williamson to the Windies. It sounds as though Gloucestershire are pretty keen on a seam bowler to replace him but seeing as New Zealand cricket are paying for the player (basically) it all comes down to them.

Trent Boult would be my guess.

 

[Days of Grace]

If Boult doesn't make the Windies tour I will smash something.