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Amir Interview

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Obviously not, but the fact is people look the other way when he cheats, similarly to how people say Amir was a victim etc. etc.
Afridi has the concentration span and brain of a child though. If he actually stopped and thought about biting the ball or break dancing on the pitch he wouldn't have done it. It was an act of instinctual stupidity.

Amir knew what he was doing and had done it before. It was a calculated act and he's been deceitful ever since.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Afridi has the concentration span and brain of a child though. If he actually stopped and thought about biting the ball or break dancing on the pitch he wouldn't have done it. It was an act of instinctual stupidity.

Amir knew what he was doing and had done it before. It was a calculated act and he's been deceitful ever since.
Again, I am aware that what Amir did is worse.

I was making a general point that people who just are wankers on the field cop more **** than cheats on this forum.

That is all.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Obviously not, but the fact is people look the other way when he cheats, similarly to how people say Amir was a victim etc. etc.
There's a massive difference between cheating to win and spot or match fixing.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Afridi has the concentration span and brain of a child though. If he actually stopped and thought about biting the ball or break dancing on the pitch he wouldn't have done it. It was an act of instinctual stupidity.

Amir knew what he was doing and had done it before. It was a calculated act and he's been deceitful ever since.
Didn't the ball start reversing after Afridi mistook it for a piece of fruit?
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Anyway, whatever the reason he had to get into this, I can imagine that as an 18-year old, one thinks that following captain's orders is a pretty normal, acceptable and decent thing to do.
As an 18 year old who had had several talks about match fixing etc. - there was a clear acceptable and decent thing to do, and it didn't involve following Butt's orders...
 

NasserFan207

International Vice-Captain
You know, I don't deny that Amir comes of as an immature deceitful bitch, but I see no reason why he can't change his ways. He's still a kid. He should be punished and then given another chance.

Just my opinion.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You know, I don't deny that Amir comes of as an immature deceitful bitch, but I see no reason why he can't change his ways. He's still a kid. He should be punished and then given another chance.

Just my opinion.
You're getting life and sport mixed up. Your argument is about life, not sport. His presence has done incredible damage to the game and any future presence will simply be bad for cricket - that's the principle of it, not forgiveness, rehabilitation etc. The prospect of him walking out at Lord's in a few years is extremely ugly, like an Akmal family reunion.
 

salman85

International Debutant
People get second chances in every walk of life.At home,at work,everywhere.You are always given a chance to redeem yourself.Your whole argument about Amir being banished from the sport permanently is silly.A kid caught cheating in an exam for the very first time is not expelled from the college.He would perhaps get a F for the subject,but he would be put on probation.If he makes the same mistake again,then he will be kicked out.

You keep on ranting about Cricket suffering if he ever plays again.Perhaps you ignore the fact that when the body that governs Cricket has decided that he deserves another chance after serving the punishment,then arguing about cricket 'suffering' is pointless.
 
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sledger

Spanish_Vicente
People get second chances in every walk of life.At home,at work,everywhere.You are always given a chance to redeem yourself.Your whole argument about Amir being banished from the sport permanently is silly.
Not really, there are numerous professions where if you're found to be corrupt you'll be debarred for life. Can you provide any argument as to why Cricket should not be added to the list?
 

salman85

International Debutant
Not really, there are numerous professions where if you're found to be corrupt you'll be debarred for life. Can you provide any argument as to why Cricket should not be added to the list?
Because no sport in the world bans an athlete from ever competing again,regardless of which rules he breaks.This does imply breaking a sport's code of conduct is a small matter,but no sport disqualifies you from ever playing again.You are given a punishment,and then you are allowed to return to the sport a cleaner person.

Also i repeat,when the Governing body of the Sport and a Court Of Justice,both organizations involving people much more capable than random Internet posters have decided that he does not deserve a life ban,then that should put the case to rest.
 
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Cruxdude

International Debutant
Not really, there are numerous professions where if you're found to be corrupt you'll be debarred for life. Can you provide any argument as to why Cricket should not be added to the list?
There aren't numerous professions where an 18 year old can ply his trade. I think you are being unnecessarily vindictive. I do not necessarily believe what he told in the interview, but that doesn't change the fact that he was 18 year old and the others involved were his captain and the senior bowler, both supposed to be mentors to this young guy.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Because no sport in the world bans an athlete from ever competing again,regardless of which rules he breaks.This does imply breaking a sport's code of conduct is a small matter,but no sport disqualifies you from ever playing again.You are given a punishment,and then you are allowed to return to the sport a cleaner person.
Err no. There are plenty of sports that will ban you for life. A number of jockeys have been banned for life for a lot less than what Amir has done.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Because no sport in the world bans an athlete from ever competing again,regardless of which rules he breaks.This does imply breaking a sport's code of conduct is a small matter,but no sport disqualifies you from ever playing again.You are given a punishment,and then you are allowed to return to the sport a cleaner person.

Also i repeat,when the Governing body of the Sport and a Court Of Justice,both organizations involving people much more capable than random Internet posters have decided that he does not deserve a life ban,then that should put the case to rest.
I think you'll find anyone found to have taken performance enhancing drugs is permanently banned from participating in the Olympic games actually. To name one example.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
There aren't numerous professions where an 18 year old can ply his trade. I think you are being unnecessarily vindictive. I do not necessarily believe what he told in the interview, but that doesn't change the fact that he was 18 year old and the others involved were his captain and the senior bowler, both supposed to be mentors to this young guy.
So what? Special dispensations should be given to cricketers?
 

Jacknife

International Captain
I'll repeat what I've said earlier, don't have any problem with him earning money playing first class cricket in Pakistan but as far as I'm concerned he's forfeited his right to play international cricket. Just like in many other jobs especially decent ones, once you've done time you are persona non grata.

I would be livid if he was to play against England again in the future or any other country for that matter and I certainly wouldn't pay any money to go watch a game with him playing.
 

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