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wellAlbidarned · Mar 9, 2012

SteveNZ said:
Picking Arnel would be like breaking up with a hot girl you thought was going to be the one, put out early and made you even more into her but then she went into a stage where she'd go there on birthdays and special occasions but things basically dried up. You kept the faith, you hoped the spark was still there, convinced yourself of it and she showed promise at one-off events but really it was dying a death. So you went back to your ex, who you left in the first place and wouldn't give much other than a starfish, but starfish is better than no fish.

And that's how the Arnel selection shakes down at 2:30am.

and it certainly shows.

Hurricane · Mar 9, 2012

HeathDavisSpeed said:
Patience. **** off. He's been sub-par in every test this summer excepting a second innings spell at Hobart. His record is atrocious. I was willing to give him some patience up until the Zimbabwe test (notwithstanding his batting attitude at Hobart which greatly pissed me off) but to suggest Southee hasn't been afforded patience is utter bull. He's been afforded much greater patience than pretty much any player in recent times. I'd take Jesse Ryder as a bowler over him right now, and Jesse's pretty much guaranteed to breakdown in his first over. Yes, I'm indulging in hyperbole and I still think Southee will come back, but he does not deserve to be playing in this form and I would take Gillespie, Aldridge, Adams (****, I wish) and probably even some untried guy over him (if it wasn't for the risk being taken on Boult too). Gah.

Don't mind what your view is as long as you know where I am coming from. My view is that NZ can't afford to be as quick with assessing players and discarding them as Aussie and England can as we don't have as much depth. We need to identify a talented player and back them until they make it within reason. Obviously if they go through a lean patch which lasts a long time then you are just hurting their confidence by continuing to pick them and that doesn't help anyone.

If his time is up his time is up - in which case send him to county cricket.

lockton2skipper · Mar 9, 2012

is Mitchell McClenaghan a test prospect ? looks to have lost a bit of pace is he a left arm version of mike mason ?

Bahnz · Mar 9, 2012

Hurricane said:
Don't mind what your view is as long as you know where I am coming from. My view is that NZ can't afford to be as quick with assessing players and discarding them as Aussie and England can as we don't have as much depth. We need to identify a talented player and back them until they make it within reason. Obviously if they go through a lean patch which lasts a long time then you are just hurting their confidence by continuing to pick them and that doesn't help anyone.

If his time is up his time is up - in which case send him to county cricket.

We haven't been quick to assess Southee though. He's been a regular in the side since late 2009, and he's shown no signs of persistent improvement in that time.

HeathDavisSpeed · Mar 9, 2012

Hurricane said:
Don't mind what your view is as long as you know where I am coming from. My view is that NZ can't afford to be as quick with assessing players and discarding them as Aussie and England can as we don't have as much depth. We need to identify a talented player and back them until they make it within reason. Obviously if they go through a lean patch which lasts a long time then you are just hurting their confidence by continuing to pick them and that doesn't help anyone.

If his time is up his time is up - in which case send him to county cricket.

How long a rope do you want to give him? I suspect the only reason he hasn't been under pressure already is that there's no clear alternative in FC cricket but unless Southee puts up today, I think pretty much anyone would be a better option at the moment.

Athlai · Mar 9, 2012

lockton2skipper said:
is Mitchell McClenaghan a test prospect ? looks to have lost a bit of pace is he a left arm version of mike mason ?

Reads the forum to hilarious effect.

Mike5181 · Mar 9, 2012

Latham's still going strong.

HeathDavisSpeed · Mar 9, 2012

Yep. Tarun Nethula's 1-76 is just what we need in the Test team.

Kippax · Mar 10, 2012

Cantabs fall one slog short of the maximum 4th batting point at 110 overs, 396/8.

NZC basically telling Latham either hit out or feel a bit stink about playing properly, even in mid-March.

Nigel Benjamin · Mar 10, 2012

Looks like my china Kyle Jarvis is enjoying his time in NZ. Hope he keeps on picking up dem wickets for the Stags.

Hurricane · Mar 10, 2012

Nigel Benjamin said:
Looks like my china Kyle Jarvis is enjoying his time in NZ. Hope he keeps on picking up dem wickets for the Stags.

He is a goodun

straw man · Mar 10, 2012

Survey: So who would be the next opener if Guptill fails as our test opener for the next year? I obviously hope he doesn't but it's a possibility.

List of domestic openers with those who NZ selectors are probably very unlikely to go back to or are Yovich struck out:
Brodie
~~Papps~~
Wilson
~~Yovich~~
~~Cumming~~
Rutherford
~~Redmond~~
How
Robinson
Worker
~~Fulton~~
~~McIntosh~~
Raval
B Cachopa

Other possibilities:
Murdoch
Flynn

Looks like either Flynn should start opening for ND or someone younger (Brodie, Worker, Raval) needs a breakthrough season (eg. 600 runs at 60).

lockton2skipper · Mar 10, 2012

if guptill does fail as opener keep him in the team but lower down the order. best slipper ever.

Prince EWS · Mar 10, 2012

straw man said:
Survey: So who would be the next opener if Guptill fails as our test opener for the next year? I obviously hope he doesn't but it's a possibility.

List of domestic openers with those who NZ selectors are probably very unlikely to go back to or are Yovich struck out:
Brodie
~~Papps~~
Wilson
~~Yovich~~
~~Cumming~~
Rutherford
~~Redmond~~
How
Robinson
Worker
~~Fulton~~
~~McIntosh~~
Raval
B Cachopa

Other possibilities:
Murdoch
Flynn

Looks like either Flynn should start opening for ND or someone younger (Brodie, Worker, Raval) needs a breakthrough season (eg. 600 runs at 60).

Yeah; I've said for a couple of seasons now that Flynn really should be opening for ND - and he actually did for a little while. But at the moment they're opening with Yovich so Flynn can bat five or six. So dire.

wellAlbidarned · Mar 10, 2012

lockton2skipper said:
if guptill does fail as opener keep him in the team but lower down the order. best slipper ever.

Nah. He's not actually that brilliant behind the wicket, though he's a total freak anywhere else in the field.

Mike5181 · Mar 11, 2012

Flynn is in a bit of form lately.

40, 113*, 47, 68, 136

Showing the selectors he's too good for this level.

straw man · Mar 11, 2012

Yeah, right now with no Brownlie or Ryder there is a rare spot up for grabs in our test middle order. Quite amazing considering how congested the 5/6 positions were looking a while back.

Otherwise though the spot Flynn should be targeting is opener or perhaps 3.

Mike5181 · Mar 11, 2012

straw man said:
Yeah, right now with no Brownlie or Ryder there is a rare spot up for grabs in our test middle order. Quite amazing considering how congested the 5/6 positions were looking a while back.

Otherwise though the spot Flynn should be targeting is opener or perhaps 3.

Selection-wise he might be competing with Watling or Van Wyk to be the specialist batsman in the middle order if Brownlie's not fit. McCullum and Guptill will likely be the openers in the second test.

You'd have to say Gillespie is knocking on the door for Southee's spot as well with another decent performance with the ball in this first class game.

Kippax · Mar 11, 2012

Mixmasterreece · Mar 11, 2012

Wow he looks pedestrian

Kippax said:
McClenaghan's 8.

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