Ikki
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I've heard you use this retort when it comes to Tests...but for ODIs? It doesn't work, he was a very good captain.
Tendulkar the better batsman, Ponting the better player. It isn't that controversial.
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Goodbye RT Ponting 'the ODI player' - you were a legend.
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Arachnodouche
International Captain
Let's not forget that Sachin was captaining people like Kanitkar and Sunil Joshi. Ponting had all-star lineups under him. Not saying Sachin is the brightest bulb in the tactical basket, just that team quality obviously matters.
Shri
Mr. Glass
Tendulkar has about 150 ODI wickets so...
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Ponting probably has that in direct hits
.In seriousness, Tendulkar's wickets were rarely a definitive factor in India winning. It isn't really all that notable - especially since his figures are even more abysmal when you take into account minnows. It was merely a "throw the kitchen sink" move to let him bowl. Very rarely did it actually come off enough for it to matter in this discussion here. If he was an economical bowler, you'd probably have more of a point.
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Cruxdude
International Debutant
LOL. The same can be said about fielding too. Rarely was Ponting's fielding the defining factor in Australia winning. Sachin more than adequately filled the spot of a part time bowler. Just because in the latter part of his career he hasn't bowled much doesn't mean that him bowling was a "throw the kitchen sink". In the early part of his career he was a pretty regular bowler for India. Even bowling out consistently in the 92 WC. He also had his moments of sheer brilliance with the ball. The 5 wicket haul against Australia came when they were chasing 300+ to win and needed less than run-a-ball in the last 18 overs.Ponting probably has that in direct hits
In seriousness, Tendulkar's wickets were rarely a definitive factor in India winning. It isn't really all that notable - especially since his figures are even more abysmal when you take into account minnows. It was merely a "throw the kitchen sink" move to let him bowl. Very rarely did it actually come off enough for it to matter in this discussion here. If he was an economical bowler, you'd probably have more of a point.
Contra
Cricketer Of The Year
^ Lets not forget the final over he bowled against SA (I think) in the Hero Cup in 1993.
Tendulkar >> Ponting in ODI's.
The most surprising thing about Ponting's ODI stats is his strike rate to me, given that he's considered a pretty attacking player one would have thought he'd be striking at around 82-83 at least. 80 is a bit of a disappointment to me, given the kind of player he is.. and can be.
Ponting's ODI form has also been below standard over the last 3-4 years, a couple of tons against England mid 2009 and the 100 in the Quarter Final of the WC aside I can't remember him playing any significant ODI knock over the 4 year period post 08 CB series, which is quite a surprise.
Tendulkar >> Ponting in ODI's.
The most surprising thing about Ponting's ODI stats is his strike rate to me, given that he's considered a pretty attacking player one would have thought he'd be striking at around 82-83 at least. 80 is a bit of a disappointment to me, given the kind of player he is.. and can be.
Ponting's ODI form has also been below standard over the last 3-4 years, a couple of tons against England mid 2009 and the 100 in the Quarter Final of the WC aside I can't remember him playing any significant ODI knock over the 4 year period post 08 CB series, which is quite a surprise.
Spark
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Ponting would at least consistently save 10-15 runs a game. Then you include his catching and his accuracy, that's a pretty big factor.
Prince EWS
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In comparison to what? Having ten men? I really struggle to believe that Ponting was 10-15 runs per game between than the average standard of international fielders during his time. It's the sort of figure that regularly bandied about when it comes to fielding in one day cricket and I just don't really buy it.
yeah there is no way a single player can save 10 runs a game on average it's just one of things that is said often but clearly untrue
Spark
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We're talking two or three high-quality boundary saving stops and a few singles saved. It's not that hard for a fielder of his calibre.
Daemon
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When you talk about 'runs saved', you're assuming an average international cricketer would not have stopped the ball. Otherwise a simple stop at mid off is considered a boundary saved. I doubt anyone can boast of saving 15 runs on average in a one dayer. 4 or 5 seems much more reasonable because some days you just don't get an opportunity to make those insane dives. Of course this also means guys like Munaf average negative runs saved every game.
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benchmark00
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Yeah. Saving runs isn't just diving and stopping. It's about batsmen not being willing to take on a fielder.
Daemon
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Replace Ponting with Gambhir, who was exceptionally poor today, and he may have saved 10-15 additional runs. (I actually only counted 7, including that boundary which should have been 1-2, the extra singles run off him because of his slowness as well as the double earlier on in the game.)
15 runs more every game, compared to an average international fielder? Nah.
15 runs more every game, compared to an average international fielder? Nah.
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