LegionOfBrad
International Debutant
Yep dropped his pace and went for "top of upstump" after the Sri Lanka series and promptly averaged about 11 against India. Hi average has come down from 34 to 30 in less than a year since that.
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***Official*** Pakistan and England in UAE
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Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
IMO alot of good decisions can still be made even when having 'a gut feeling' over a selection. Think about the likes of Pattinson, Bracewell and Starc recently.
Howe_zat
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It's certainly false to disregard what Finn's done lately just because he's wearing the wrong trousers. Bowling fast, accurately and with movement tends to work in Tests as well as anywhere.
However, it's a matter of whether there's enough evidence for you that he can keep it going, not just for your standard bowling reliability but also in fitness and stamina terms.
Can he keep bowling at these speeds at the end of the day? Can he keep hitting that length in the 8th,. 9th, 10th over of a spell? Two 5-over spells just don't compare to the 20 overs a day he could be put through in a Test.
People like to think that Finn bowling this fast has come out of nowhere, but it hasn't. Him bowling this well has done, sure, but going by the clock he was bowling 90+ consistently in the ODIs in Australia after looking jaded in the Tests. That may well have changed - he's beefed up at the very least - but we don't have the evidence in front of us. For me, the jury's still out on him as a Test bowler.
However, it's a matter of whether there's enough evidence for you that he can keep it going, not just for your standard bowling reliability but also in fitness and stamina terms.
Can he keep bowling at these speeds at the end of the day? Can he keep hitting that length in the 8th,. 9th, 10th over of a spell? Two 5-over spells just don't compare to the 20 overs a day he could be put through in a Test.
People like to think that Finn bowling this fast has come out of nowhere, but it hasn't. Him bowling this well has done, sure, but going by the clock he was bowling 90+ consistently in the ODIs in Australia after looking jaded in the Tests. That may well have changed - he's beefed up at the very least - but we don't have the evidence in front of us. For me, the jury's still out on him as a Test bowler.
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Jacknife
International Captain
Yes it is false but on the basis of his one day showing alone, I wouldn't pick him ahead of Bresnan, who has shown he can bowl very well in Tests. Anyway it's not as if it will come down to dropping one for the other, with injuries and the amount of games, Finn will get a chance to shine.
Jacknife
International Captain
Absolutely, he seems to have sacrificed a bit of speed for accuracy, which as we have seen hasn't hurt him one bit.
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Riaz can also bowl 90 plus consistently in the ODI's, but drops his pace in the tests. It's only guys like Akhtar and Lee who could bowl at those speeds in Tests.
screamingfields
School Boy/Girl Captain
Consistently. Riaz can't consistently hit 90. Neither can Gul. Pakistan look like if they lack seam bowlers, let alone pace from their current bowlers.
Cabinet96
Hall of Fame Member
Agree. Would also be interesting to see how Finn goes with a 50 over old ball. We have seen that Bresnan can be efficient with the old ball.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
The big question is going forward is - if Bresnan wasn't considered one of the best four bowlers, would he be selected as an allrounder ahead of Morgan/Bopara/Taylor/whoever they think the next best batsman is? If Panesar was the fourth of those bowlers I'd definitely think so, but if it was Finn instead, would the attack actually be able to utilise the skills of a fourth seamer? Bresnan is definitely a much, much better cricketer than Morgan but selecting him might be a bit of a cop out and not actually in the team's best interests. Morgan, warts and all, is the better batsman of the two and Bresnan's bowling as the fourth seamer in a side that also includes Swann might not have much impact.
Neil Pickup
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So, so true. Didn't even need to be that good...Its a mark of the ludicrous talent England have in the bowling stocks that a guy averaging 23 with the ball and 45 with the bat is having his place in the team debatedMust be a lovely problem to have.
In the early 90's if those numbers were reversed he prob still would have made it into the team as a good honest allrounder.
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Riaz was bowling 90 plus for around 10 overs in a test match. He can do the same in ODI's.
Cabinet96
Hall of Fame Member
I think it probably depends on the conditions. In bowler friendly conditions probably not but on flat tracks Bresnan as a 4th seamer would probably be a very valuable asset.
Having said that the UAE were supposed to be flat tracks and we wouldn't have really needed 5 bowlers there so I don't know.
slowfinger
International Debutant
Who cares how fast... Hows his line and length and control been?!
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
It's been awful. 
slowfinger
International Debutant
There we go case solvedIt's been awful.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
yay- buttler and briggs in. good 2 c how they go.
