***Official*** Pakistan and England in UAE

[Xuhaib]

It's been quite surprising how poor the Pakistan seamers have been this series.

for a side with fast bowling history like Pakistan its kinda painful toi watch thest jokers strutting around as fast bowlers.

 

[Turbinator]

I love the amount of times that post has been quoted

 

[Fusion]

Congratulations England for a comprehensive thumping and for demonstrating that wins against you are hard to earn and should be savored.

 

[smash84]

congratulations to the English fans on winning the revenge ODI series

 

[Agent Nationaux]

So Xuhaib who which new seamer would you like to see in the squad?

 

[TT Boy]

Cook alluded to it in a recent interview - the pressure of a trial by spin with men around the bat simply doesn't exist in ODIs.

Could do but Misbah has no attacking intent. Got quality spinners and he gives them nothing. Alright restricting England to 250 odd if you can bat, but Pak can't.

Misbah's excuse of batting under lights being hard looking a bit silly now.

 

[smash84]

for a side with fast bowling history like Pakistan its kinda painful toi watch thest jokers strutting around as fast bowlers.

awta

 

[Agent Nationaux]

During the time of Waqar and Wasim, bowlers like Gul would have been laughed at.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

It's also painful to see our spinners being better than our quicks.

 

[Xuhaib]

So Xuhaib who which new seamer would you like to see in the squad?

All of them are unproven but a risk has to be taken with someone like Rahat or Talha thesse steady eddies like Cheema do not offer much in the long term.

 

[Jacknife]

- Despite being desperately unlucky in the Test series with the amount of ****ing inside edges onto pads, Anderson still averaged 27 in the Test series on pitches that offered him very, very little.

- One day cricket is not Test cricket. Bowling long 20+ overs a day with the red ball and fielding all day with the batsmen looking to play each ball on its merits is different from bowling 10 overs with the white ball under lights.

- Even if the format of cricket was the same, bowling well now and bowling well a few weeks ago are not the same thing, as Broad is finding out.

- Anderson is ****ing better than Finn and given he's proven himself to be World XI candidate over the past few years, leaving him out would have been beyond stupid, no matter how much foresight they had about how well Finn would bowl in pyjama cricket.

- Even if Finn could've improved on the apparently disgraceful average of 27, England would've lost anyway, because it was their batting that was ****. That was the problem. Their bowling was genuinely good and anyone who thinks they were in any way culpable clearly didn't watch the cricket.



This is pretty standard poor retrospective 'logic' (if you could call it that) after a loss. "Oh they lost, which means they probably selected the wrong side - if their next best player had been playing it might have been different, irrespective of what actually happened during the series and what the role of that player is". The only reason England's bowlers are getting any attention is because they lost 3-0; not how they bowled, which is ridiculous. If England's batsmen were as good at playing spin as Finn is at bowling then they would have romped it in, but cricket doesn't work like that - England unfortunately have much greater fast bowling depth than they do batting depth at the moment, which means their best eleven players won't be playing in their side for balance reasons. It's hardly the first or last time something like that has or will happened so the constant re-visiting of the matter is growing increasingly tired.

It's not even the silly logic that's annoying me because well you get used to that; it's the fact that someone comes in here every time Finn takes a wicket and brings the topic up again, as if the facts have changed. They haven't; no-one's said Finn wouldn't do well with the ball in the one dayers, so no amount of him actually doing that is going to change any of the other debates that we've already have five times over. Please lets leave it at that and not dredge it back up every time Finn bowls a good delivery ffs. I can just picture CW in the year 2016 when Finn is leading the England attack; every time he takes a wicket there will still be some incessantly annoying entity popping up saying "he should've played the 2012 UAE Tests!!11!!"

Just seen this, GUN.

 

[Viscount Tom]

@Xuhaib's earlier post: But that's just it, we've played on the SC against quality spin often enough and performed reasonably well.

What I feel has done us in more than anything is having 1 too many stroke makers in the side. When we had Colly* we knew we had someone who could play spin in tests really well, the issue for England at the moment is to get more players available who can handle spin and generally they ain't gonna be stroke makers.

Cook, Trott, Colly are the best 3 players of spin we've had in our side since the last home Ashes and none of them are stroke makers, heck the last stroke maker I remember been good against spin for England was Vaughan and that was really back in the pre-05 Ashes days.

*Solution: Bring back Colly. Lets be honest we need someone who can bat 4 hours for 26 runs in the side again.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

You have only won against Bangladesh. I wouldn't call that reasonably well.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah it was a gun post by young cribbage, makes up for his recent below par form

 

[Viscount Tom]

We've very rarely been whitewashed in the SC though. We might not have won many but we've not lost a huge number of the tests played.

 

[slowfinger]

Gratz England for wiping the floor with us.

 

[wpdavid]

Have Pakistan ever been Whitewashed by England at home?

Possibly in 1987 immediately before the Shakeel / Rana series.

 

[Dissector]

Wow, a really impressive turnaround by England reminiscent of their ODI triumph in Australia after the 5-0 debacle.

 

[LegionOfBrad]

Prior plays spin ok as well.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Prior plays spin ok as well.

Yeah, worries me tho as he tries to cut balls that are sometimes a bit close to the stumps, but it is his "go to" shot.

Not endorsing an ODI recall for Matty tho, I hasten to add. Been there, got the teeshirt.